Friday, October 29, 2004

your homework for the election


please email this to the media (see link below) and then email everyone you know and tell them to do the same. It is ridiculous that the media has done such a poor job reporting basic facts. Pass it on:

The public should not be voting for someone out of ignorance. This really needs to reported right now.

Even after the final report of Charles Duelfer to Congress saying that Iraq did not
have a significant WMD program, 72% of Bush supporters continue to believe that Iraq had actual
WMD (47%) or a major program for developing them (25%). Fifty-six percent assume that most
experts believe Iraq had actual WMD and 57% also assume, incorrectly, that Duelfer concluded Iraq had
at least a major WMD program. Kerry supporters hold opposite beliefs on all these points.
Similarly, 75% of Bush supporters continue to believe that Iraq was providing substantial support to al
Qaeda, and 63% believe that clear evidence of this support has been found. Sixty percent of Bush
supporters assume that this is also the conclusion of most experts, and 55% assume, incorrectly, that this
was the conclusion of the 9/11 Commission. Here again, large majorities of Kerry supporters have
exactly opposite perceptions.
[link to www.pipa.org]
Media email and phone contacts here: [link to www.fair.org]

Sunday, October 17, 2004

We walk through their ancient capitals in t-shirts and sneakers, expecting everyone to understand English if we speak it loudly and slowly enough

THAT IS NOT WHY WE ARE HATED!!!! The policy makers have supported brutal governments and backed terrorism against millions of people. US policy makers have invaded and bombed people and US policy makers have violated International Law.

Should I punch you in the face because I claim that you might punch me? (even if you have not even threatened me?) It is ridiculous right? Bush had made that policy. Do you realize how off the wall it is? It would be illegal would it not. International LAw is based on the same standards of reasonable and moral behavior. If we are under real threat then according to International Law we do indeed have a right to defend ourselves. Just as if you were attacking me or if you pulled a gun on we. And the US media isn't teaching you what is going on. Bush has publicly mocked the very idea of International law. the US media isn't telling you this! In Iraq we violated International law by attacking, we violated international by imposing laws upon Iraq in direct violation of the Hague convention which we signed. we placed our CIA asset in the Iraqi GOverning COuncil. The process of determining the PM was violated and we now have him Allawi as PM. the US media isn't telling you this!
PM Allawi. according to two independently interviewed witnesses shot to death 6 prisoners. the US media isn't telling you this!
what we now have is Saddam II in power in Iraq and it is again the fault of the US. We have violated the will of the Iraqi people and we talk opening about keeping troops there for years when we know, according to polls taken in Iraq. Are you not putting 2 and 2 together? If we are supposedly there to set up a democracy then we can't talk about doing things in violation of the Iraqi people. The BS has been exposed, you just need to see it.
We know that ISrael is not popular with Arabs and yet we have allowed the Mossad to infiltrate Iraq. We have allowed Israeli businesses to get deals in Iraq, even though we know how Iraqis fell about Israel. Who does Iraq belong to? Who is supposed to make the decisions if it is a true democracy? And Iraqi officials talk openly about a pipeline from Iraq to Israel. you know damn well the Iraqi people don't want their oil to go to Israel and yet we allow these shits to openly talk like this. did you hear it in the American media?

Do you have any idea how wrong it is what US policy makers have done around the world. it isn't about T-Shits and sneakers. wake up, you are in a dream world.
A denier writes: "You can also visit a website called www.wintersoldier.com and find tons of proof."

That web site says STEVEN J. PITKIN now claims he "neither witnessed nor participated in any American war crimes or atrocities"
He claims "During the Winter Soldier Investigation, John Kerry and other leaders of that event pressured me to testify about American war crimes"
We really need to think about how that really could make sence.
Some common sence should be used when we consider his claims, especially this one:
"Upon my return to the United States I encountered anti-war protestors who, at various times, threw feces, spit, and screamed obscenities."
I think he is really laying it on thick and is simply repeating an urban myth. ( a myth he has heard just as others have heard it without realizing it isn't true) Also he claims he went along with the wishes of anti-war activists AFTER he had supposedly been spit on by anti-war activists and had shit thrown at him by anti-war activists and was cursed by anti-war activists when he came back home?!? Give me a break!

DOes anyone see a problem with his claims? Today he wants you to believe he was "forced" by anti-war activists to testify falsely? And after he supposedly had been abused with spit, shit and curses by anti-war activists? The guys is not credible. and we see that his claims about spit AND SHIT NO LESS! ( supposedly being thrown at soldiers at an Air Force Base?)
These claims undermine his credibility and the web site when they make the claim "At Travis Air Force Base in California he was showered with feces thrown by anti-war protestor" Apply common sence, there are no news reports of this see the bottom part of this post, the section about the myth about "Vietnam Vets Getting Spit On" and how the hell could this actaully happen at Travis Air Force Base? These guys are apparently not aware that these claims have been debunked. For those that may not be aware, the "spitting on vets stories" have turned out to be basically an urban myth See: Denying Facts and Embracing Myths: Vietnam War Crimes and Tales about "Vietnam Vets Getting Spit On" see also: The Village Voice: Features: Swift Boat Swill by Nicholas Turse

the crimes happened! don't deny them

Friday, October 15, 2004

Is Sean Hannity a denier?


here is the email I sent Sean Hannity. copy it and email it to hannity@foxnews.com

Dear Mr. Hannity,

You made the claim that many of the Winter Soldier testimony was proven false, can you give me a source for this?

You make the claim that "Kerry accused" soldiers of crimes. That is an absurd characterization of Kerry repeating what the men themselves had testified to. These crimes have been documented, you can read about the atrocities from the National Archives. How dare you deny that these crimes happened. And you serve powerful interests by ignoring the main message of Kerry which was to hold the leaders and decision makers responsible. Kerry wasn't trying to screw over fellow soldiers, it is disgusting for you to spout off "why didn't he turn the men in?" The National Archives have hundreds of files of official US military investigations that document the very same kind of atrocities that Kerry related in the Senate Hearings. See: The Village Voice: Features: Swift Boat Swill by Nicholas Turse

Sean, I look forward to you documentation that "proves" the Winter Soldier testimonies were false.

email the above to hannity@foxnews.com
At the "Oh. That Liberal Media" web site they try once again to make a case of "liberal bias"
Their problem is they really don't know what a bias is and don't know how to read clearly.

The make this claim about a NYT article:
From the start, the article embraces the criticisms of Bush's policies as fact, by allowing them to go unchallenged:
"It is a characterization of Mr. Bush's foreign policy style often heard around the world: bullying, unreceptive, brazen. The result, critics of this administration contend, has been a disastrous loss of international support, damage to American credibility, the sullying of America's image and a devastating war that has already taken more than 1,000 American lives. In the first presidential debate, Senator John Kerry argued that only with a change of presidents could the damage be undone."


Guys that is not bias. This is the problem, you don't understnd what bias even is. "the article embraces the criticisms of Bush's policies as fact" NO it doesn't, you have a distorted reading of that the acticle says. READ it.
"It is a characterization of Mr. Bush's foreign policy style often heard around the world: bullying, unreceptive, brazen. The result, critics of this administration contend, has been a disastrous loss of international support, damage to American credibility, the sullying of America's image and a devastating war that has already taken more than 1,000 American lives. In the first presidential debate, Senator John Kerry argued that only with a change of presidents could the damage be undone."
That is NOT "embracing the criticisms of Bush's policies as fact", it says Kerry argues the point, it doesn't state the point is fact. You are reading into it what isn't there. The context makes it very clear, the things I bolded. Also, do you realize how weirdly constructed the sentence about Kerry would have to be to satisfy you contrived standard? It would be incorrect to write "the alleged damage" in the sentence since Kerry isn't alleging it, Kerry is the one saying it is fact, not the writers of the article. It is what a critic contends, the article is not saying that it is fact, it says Kerry argued it. Not that it is.

Thursday, October 14, 2004

Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on them


See Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on them at http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=487412&contrassID=1
A few weeks ago, a senior Greek Orthodox clergyman in Israel attended a meeting at a government office in Jerusalem's Givat Shaul quarter. When he returned to his car, an elderly man wearing a skullcap came and knocked on the window. When the clergyman let the window down, the passerby spat in his face. Many Jerusalem clergy have been subjected to abuse of this kind.
On Sunday, a fracas developed when a yeshiva student spat at the cross being carried by the Armenian Archbishop during a procession near the Holy Sepulchre in the Old City. The archbishop's 17th-century cross was broken during the brawl and he slapped the yeshiva student.
Archbishop Nourhan Manougian says he expects the education minister to say something.
"When there is an attack against Jews anywhere in the world, the Israeli government is incensed, so why when our religion and pride are hurt, don't they take harsher measures?" he asks.
According to Daniel Rossing, former adviser to the Religious Affairs Ministry on Christian affairs and director of a Jerusalem center for Christian-Jewish dialogue, there has been an increase in the number of such incidents recently, "as part of a general atmosphere of lack of tolerance in the country."
There are an increased number at certain times of year, such as during the Purim holiday."I know Christians who lock themselves indoors during the entire Purim holiday," he says.

Religious Jews, among them yeshiva students, customarily spit on the ground as a sign of disgust on seeing the cross. The Armenians, who live adjacent to the Jewish Quarter of the Old City, suffer from this phenomenon more than any of the other Christian sects in the Old City.

The Armenian archbishop in Israel, Nourhan Manougian, was questioned under warning by police yesterday after he slapped a yeshiva student during a procession marking the Exaltation of the Holy Cross in Jerusalem's Old City. The archbishop slapped the student after the latter spat at the cross the Armenians were carrying and at Manougian himself.
"The Israeli government is anti-Christian," Manougian charges. "It cries out in the face of any harm done to Jews all over the world, but is simply not interested at all when we are humiliated on an almost daily basis."

And stupid "Christian Zionists" fall over themselves kissing these peoples' asses!
In America, fools who have this idea in their heads that they should "serve and bless Israel"
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/486934.html
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/487887.html
From kos
Wed Oct 13th, 2004 at 19:05:34 GMT

This is big, from reader MK:
Found the following links which all seem to point to the same company that is suspected of tearing up Democratic voter registration forms in Las Vegas.

RNC funds voter supression efforts
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/10/13/15534/960

Wednesday, October 13, 2004

Tuesday, October 05, 2004

But maybe Charlie's heart was in the right place. He figured that since none of his constituents pay income taxes more of them ought to contribute to their country in another way.

Thiis may shock you but did you know that the blue states pay more taxes than they receive back from the government but the red states actually get more from the government than they pay in taxes? Yes, with all the talk about "rugged individualism" and rants about "big government", the bottom line is the red states are on the dole!! Yep, the ones with the biggest mouths bitching about welfare are the biggest recipients of government handouts!

This book basically breaks it down to the red states as "Retro America" and the blue states as "Metro America":
"Between 1991 and 2000, the 25 states that make up Retro America received $800 billion more in federal payments than they paid in federal taxes. Much of this unfair transfer of wealth from the Metro states was delivered via subsidies to the extraction industries-agriculture, mining, timber, oil, etc. So, who's the real “welfare queen,” if not Retro America?"

www.retrovsmetro.org/book/chapter_2.html

Saturday, October 02, 2004

Fox Fabricates: "I'm metrosexual — he's a cowboy," the Democratic candidate said of himself and his opponent.



Seriously, does anything you guys who scream about a supposed "liberal media" come close to FoxNews' fabricated Kerry story? Fox has admitted it happened, why do you ignore it?:“Carl [Cameron] made a stupid mistake which he regrets. And he has been reprimanded for his lapse in judgment. It was a poor attempt at humor."

You guys scream endlessly about CBS and a memo they received from someone else yet when a Fox News reporter actually fabricates things about Kerry, you guys are silent. In fact not only you but everyone on the Internet and the mainstream media covered this ENORMOUSLY. Are you going to tell me this story, of a Network's employe actually involved in fabricating and disseminating a fraud is receiving anything close to the attention the CBS story received? Guys, Rather didn't actually CREATE or FABRICATE anything BUT Carl Cameron did! Gee whiz, why isn't the mainstream "liberal" media screaming about this on TV? Guys, time to rethink your theory. mediamatters

Friday, October 01, 2004

When Bush said this it was so pathetic, "One of his campaign people alleged that Prime Minister Allawi was like a puppet. That's no way to treat somebody who's courageous and brave, that is trying to lead his country forward."
I actually laughed when Bush awkwardly said it. The weird way he delivered the line and the phony argument to cover up the fact that Allawi is our puppet.

Thursday, September 30, 2004

I answered your question, are you willing to even deal with the Nat Turner terrorism question? Did Turner's terrorism mean we could never admit it was about slavery because that would be "blaming America" and we could never end slavery because that would be "giving in to terrorism"?

"Their argument is that you can’t instill democracy in an unwilling country." You are hearing a VERY limited view, I am certainly not saying that. I am saying what the facts reflect, US policy makers don't intend on allowing true democracy in Iraq. 99% of Iraqis didn't think that the U.S invaded to estalish democracy, you should at least be aware of it. You mock the idea of misunderstandings but your notion about installing democracy is really at odds with the facts. Look at the recent actions of the US officials. After the war International law was again violated when US policy makers imposed business laws in Iraq. The US hand picked the leaders and when the new government leaders were selected they violated the agreed upon procedure involving the UN. The US has placed a CIA asset and murderous thug in the Prime Minister position. We have seen this before, look at the early history with the CIA and Saddam. The current leaders could have been selected by polling the Iraqi people as opposed to the US hand picking them. Did this occur to you? US policy makers don't respect democracy as you assume. Wolfowitz openly lamented that the Turkish military didn't use force against their own government to override the will of 95% of the Turks. Looking at these facts is not "self doubt", in your mind you have positioned certain men, like Wolfowitz, above criticism by acting like they are "America" as opposed to being individuals carrying out certain policies of America.

You can't simply reject everything someone says: "If their people do not wish to be harmed inside their very own countries, they should seek to elect governments that are truly representative of them and that can protect their interests." What are you going to argue, that we DON'T elect leaders that are truly representative of us just to spite bin Laden? "The self-doubt leads down so many roads to defeat and cyclical self-hatred that it does not even bear examining too deeply for fear of falling into that dark and bottomless well." This must be how Americans allowed slaver to continue generation after generation in their very midsts. Was it "anti-American" to be against slavery? You haven't responded to the points I have raised. You ignored the Hitler History Lesson

Wednesday, September 29, 2004

So do you get my question? It's not, "Why has it failed in the past?" It's, "Human weakness aside, is there anything genuinely wrong with it?" But I think that lack of personal incentive probably holds the answer...

It never really was put into practice. Capitalists push the myth that the Soviet Union was "socialism' or "communism" when the central principle of people holding the power of the state was not a reality. There were concentrations of power, it was run by an elite. If the power had actually rested in the hands of the common man then it would have been ideal.

As far as incentives, there is no reason that people can't be given extra awards for service above and beyond the norm. You raise the standard of living for everyone when a safety net is provided for people when private power fails to provide critical things. This is what current system apologists fail to realize, there is such thing as no jobs or poor paying jobs that simply do not fill the peoples' needs. Meanwhile (and this is what people miss also) the rich have these safety nets for themselves, YES government programs and policies that subsidize them and socialize their risks. The general public is not supposed to understand that public money is used by private power in contradiction to the philosophy they sell the general public.

And what is missed is that Capitalism actually failed decades ago. The Great Depression made it clear where it was headed. Now we have "State-Capitalism" in which massive government spending keeps the economy afloat and massively subsidizes private industry with money for R&D and purchases. It could be called socialism for the rich. The Military Industrial Complex is a massive part of this. In fact military spending is preferred since it hides the socialism from the average person who apparently doesn't put it all together. The fact is from the earliest days of America, spending of this sort kept the economy running. "Public subsidy to high tech industry is masked as "defense spending"". "The public pays the costs and the rich get the benefit--markets for the poor and plenty of state protection for the rich." http://archive.8m.net/chomsky.htm

Tuesday, September 28, 2004

Hey Bush Supporters, Stop Lying to the American People


Another Bush supporter pushes false informtion: "Good morning, it seems you are still a sleep. Lets talk shop for a minute. Clinton was re-elected in 1996 with 5.6% unemployment, Bush now has during his re-election 5.4%.

That is a lie, the Clinton rate was down to 5.4% at the end of his first term. You know guy, you must have very little respect for your fellow American. Either you are knowingly spreading lies or you are ignorantly spreading falsehoods.

Clinton was reelected in November 1996 with a 5.4% unemployment rate not a 5.6%. So your first point is an outright lie. But the main point is intentionally misleading. When Clinton came into office, the unemployment rate was 7.1%, by the end of his first term it was down to 5.4% and at the end of his second term it was down to 3.9%. When people use these Republican talking points they are deceiving their fellow American and that is a really shitty thing to do. Come on, do you guys believe in "integrity" and "honesty" or not?

This really is unfair to do to people, to ignore the decreasing rate during Clinton's terms and act like it is no different that an increasing rate under Bush is really dishonest. That is intentionally misleading people, tricking them to vote for something that is actually hurting their interests. At some point guys, isn't there a moment of truth where you realize it just isn't cool to trick your fellow citizen about these very important matters?

You throw out these dishonest Republican talking points. This really isn't fair. Those that plow ahead with this support for Bush, please take time to do your own research because the ugly fact is Republicans are lying to you. You may think you know the truth but you have been fooled by people like "Mr. Good Morning" mocking you about "seeming to be asleep." Show these guys that you are awake and you know the facts and you don't want to be lied to.

When Clinton came into office the unemployment rate was 7.1%, you play games when you quote the rate at the end of his first term (and on top of that lie about what the rate actually was!) You ignore that Clinton came into office with a rate of 7.1% and by the end of his first term it was down to 5.4% Is this the level of honesty of Republicans? You really should think why you need to LIE to get your guy back in office. Under Clinton the unemployment rate continued to decrease down to 3.9%.

Under Bush the unemployment rate has INCREASED and the trend is toward increase. During Clinton the trend was toward DECREASE. Look at the chart please. If you really care about America, stop lying to your fellow American. Help spread the facts. Email as many people as you can this link: http://representativepress.blogspot.com/2004_09_01_representativepress_archive.html#109639509632022869

Monday, September 27, 2004

Al-Qaeda : The True Story of Radical Islam


Noam Chomsky gives this book a glowing review: "Essential Reading ...The most illuminating study I know ... gives remarkable insight into Islamic Militancy"

I have just started reading the book and it looks good. Here are two examples from the book:cover "Bin Laden and al-Qaeda are the radical, extremist fringe of the broad movement that is modern Islamic militancy. Their grievances are political but articulated in religious terms and with reference to a religious worldview. The movement is rooted in social, economic and political contingencies." pp xxv-xxvi Jason Burke makes this point about bin Laden, " ... his agenda is a basically political one, though it is couched, of course, in religious language and imagery" Al-Qaeda : The True Story of Radical Islam by Jason Burke

Burke is correct and I have pointed this out for years. In fact my comparison to Nat Turner relates to the "religious language and imagery" too. Turner may have been even more "religious" since he claimed that he saw signs that indicated to him he should go about his terrorist activities targeting white men, women and children.
http://www.youtube.com/representativepress

Are you guys basically agreeing with Rush Limbaugh?!?!


RUSH LIMBAUGH: "The Australian Broadcasting Corporation is reporting that the new Iraqi Prime Minister Allawi has executed six insurgents in front of witnesses, wanting to send a clear message to these people. Good. Hubba-hubba.

Now that's right. Now, you're going to have -- you're going to have -- you're going to have some of the powerless fearful Left in this country saying see, this is what Bush has done. Bush did this, no due process, they just kill them when you find them. We can't -- America's going to be hated in the world, blah blah blah blah. Well, the Iraqis are handling their own affairs.
"

Rush is an asshole. It was wrong of the US to put this murderous thug into power in Iraq in the first place. If the report from two eyewitnesses is correct then we have horrific proof of the evils of US directed foreign policy. What the **** does it take for people to realize that YES, US foreign policy makers have wronged the Iraqis? This isn't "Iraqis handling their own affairs" this is a hand picked US puppet who murders and a horrible thing to do to the Iraqi people. They didn't pick this guy, we did. And shitheads like Rush wonder why people around the world end up hating the US? It is because of these vicious immoral policies and hand picked murderous thugs that we impose on people. US policy makers don't want real democracy in Iraq, that is why thugs like Allawi are selected to rule over the people. The US could have ran some public opinion polls and used the results to get a very very close approximation of a general election. WHen the poll shoed the most popular choices, the people who the Iraqis themselves wanted could have been placed in the Iraqi government positions, instead the US policy makers selected their CIA backed thug as Prime Minister.

What part of that don't you understand? When the **** are people going to wake up. These actions shit on the efforts of all the American men and women who dies to "bring democracy to Iraq". It turns out to be a sick lie, wake the **** up people. Rush says, "Good. Hubba-hubba."?!? How the hell can anyone make an excuse for a **** Nazi like Rush Limbaugh? When the **** are people going to demand that their representatives stop our government from spreading misery around the world?
http://mediamatters.org/items/200407190006

Saturday, September 25, 2004

For God Sakes, don't vote for Bush!



What they fail to mention and what is obvious from the graph is that under Clinton the unemployment rate decreased from 7.1% to 3.9%, while under Bush it increased from 4.2% to 6.4%

An explanation for those thinking of voting for Bush: a lower unemployment rate is better. So when you see the graph with the blue section dipping down under Clinton., that is a good thing.

The media is not making this clear to the public. I have seen far to many talking heads talking BS about unemployment rates under Bush and what they were under Clinton. There are dishonest bastard Republicans that have the balls to insist that the media is biased against Bush!!
Lott media bias update

Friday, September 24, 2004

Hitler History Lesson
Banagor complains, "You claim every trend in history towards your own end, but you ignore the reality of the lessons of history. If it were up to you, I imagine, we wouldn’t have done anything about Hitler ... Why? Because you’re selfish."

What should we have done about Hitler? Not support him. But the US government actually supported him. Selfish? You really need to take a look at the lessons of history. You want to talk about selfish, look at the fact that U.S. corporations increased investment in Nazi Germany enormously while at the same time decreasing investment sharply everywhere else in continental Europe.

cover See endnote 19 of Understanding Power. The U.S. government and business community supported Hitler and Mussolini before World War II.
From endnote 19 of Chapter 5:cover

See for example, Christopher Simpson, The Splendid Blond Beast: Money, Law, and Genocide in the Twentieth Century, Monroe, ME: Common Courage, 1995, especially pp. 46-64;

David F. Schmitz, Thank God They're on Our Side: The United States and Right-Wing Dictatorships, 1921-1965, Chapel Hill: University of North Carolina Press, 1999, chs. 1 and 3; cover David F. Schmitz, The United States and Fascist Italy, 1922-1940, Chapel Hill: University of North Carolina Press, 1988; John P. Diggins, Mussolini and Fascism: the View from America, Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1972.

The reasons for the warm American response to Fascism and Nazism that are detailed in these books are explained quite openly in the internal U.S. government planning record. For instance, a 1937 Report of the State Department's European Division described the rise of Fascism as the natural reaction of "the rich and middle classes, in self-defense" when the "dissatisfied masses, with the example of the Russian revolution before them, swing to the Left." Fascism therefore "must succeed or the masses, this time reinforced by the disillusioned middle classes, will again turn to the Left." The Report also noted that "if Fascism cannot succeed by persuasion [in Germany], it must succeed by force." It concluded that "economic appeasement should prove the surest route to world peace," a conclusion based on the belief that Fascism as a system was compatible with U.S. interests.

See Schmitz, The United States and Fascist Italy, 1922-1940, p. 140; see also, Daniel Yergin, Shattered Peace: The Origins of the Cold War and the National Security State (this is the updated edition), Boston: Houghton-Mifflin, 1977, p. 26 (U.S. Ambassador to Russia William Bullitt "believed that only Nazi Germany could stay the advance of Soviet Bolshevism in Europe").

At the same time, Britain's special emissary to Germany, Lord Halifax, praised Hitler for blocking the spread of Communism, an achievement that brought England to "a much greater degree of understanding of all his [i.e. Hitler's] work" than heretofore, as Halifax recorded his words to the German Chancellor while Hitler was conducting his reign of terror in the late 1930s. cover See Lloyd Gardner, Spheres of Influence: The Great Powers Partition Europe, From Munich to Yalta, Chicago: Ivan Dee, 1993, p. 13. See also, Clement Leibovitz, The Chamberlain-Hitler Deal, Edmonton, Canada: Les Éditions Duval, 1993 (fascinating 533-page study reproducing vast documentation, largely from recently-declassified British government sources, of the secret British deal allowing Hitler free rein to expand in Eastern Europe; this deal was "motivated by anti-communism" and was "not a sudden policy quirk but was the crowning of incessant efforts to encourage Japan and Germany 'to take their fill' of the Soviet Union" [p. 6]. Leibovitz's study also establishes conclusively, from a wide variety of sources, that there was great sympathy for Hitler's and Mussolini's policies among the British establishment).

Furthermore, although Hitler's rhetorical commitments and actions were completely public, internal U.S. government documents from the 1930s refer to him as a "moderate." For example, the American chargé d'affaires in Berlin wrote to Washington in 1933 that the hope for Germany lay in "the more moderate section of the [Nazi] party, headed by Hitler himself . . . which appeal[s] to all civilized and reasonable people," and seems to have "the upper hand" over the violent fringe. "From the standpoint of stable political conditions, it is perhaps well that Hitler is now in a position to wield unprecedented power," noted the American Ambassador, Frederic Sackett. See Schmitz, The United States and Fascist Italy, 1922-1940, pp. 140, 174, 133, and ch. 9; Foreign Relations of the United States, 1933, Vol. II ("British Commonwealth, Europe, Near East and Africa"), Washington: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1949, pp. 329, 209.

The U.S. reaction to Fascist Italy before the war was similar. A high-level inquiry of the Wilson administration determined in December 1917 that with rising labor militancy, Italy posed "the obvious danger of social revolution and disorganization." A State Department official noted privately that "If we are not careful we will have a second Russia on our hands," adding: "The Italians are like children" and "must be [led] and assisted more than almost any other nation." Mussolini's Blackshirts solved the problem by violence. They carried out "a fine young revolution," the American Ambassador to Italy observed approvingly, referring to Mussolini's March on Rome in October 1922, which brought Italian democracy to an end. Racist goons effectively ended labor agitation with government help, and the democratic deviation was terminated; the United States watched with approval. The Fascists are "perhaps the most potent factor in the suppression of Bolshevism in Italy" and have much improved the situation generally, the Embassy reported to Washington, while voicing some residual anxiety about the "enthusiastic and violent young men" who have brought about these developments. The Embassy continued to report the appeal of Fascism to "all patriotic Italians," simple-minded folk who "hunger for strong leadership and enjoy . . . being dramatically governed." See Schmitz, The United States and Fascist Italy, 1922-1940, pp. 14, 36, 44, 52; Foreign Relations of the United States, 1919, Vol. I ("Paris Peace Conference"), Washington: United States Government Printing Office, 1942, p. 47.

As time went on, the American Embassy was well aware of Mussolini's totalitarian measures. Fascism had "effectively stifled hostile elements in restricting the right of free assembly, in abolishing freedom of the press and in having at its command a large military organization," the Embassy reported in a message of February 1925, after a major Fascist crackdown. But Mussolini remained a "moderate," manfully confronting the fearsome Bolsheviks while fending off the extremist fringe on the right. His qualifications as a moderate were implicit in the judgment expressed by Ambassador Henry Fletcher: the choice in Italy is "between Mussolini and Fascism and Giolitti and Socialism, between strong methods of internal peace and prosperity and a return to free speech, loose administration and general disorganization. Peace and Prosperity were preferred." (Giolitti was the liberal Prime Minister, who had collaborated with Mussolini in the repression of labor but now found himself a target as well.) See Schmitz, The United States and Fascist Italy, 1922-1940, pp. 76-77f.

On the views of U.S. corporations towards Fascism, including details of participation in the plunder of Jewish assets under Hitler's Aryanization programs -- notably, the Ford Motor Company -- see for example, Christopher Simpson, The Splendid Blond Beast: Money, Law, and Genocide in the Twentieth Century, Monroe, ME: Common Courage, 1995, especially ch. 5 (on Ford's role in Aryanization of Jewish property, see pp. 62-63). An excerpt (p. 64):

coverMany U.S. companies bought substantial interests in established German companies, which in turn plowed that new money into Aryanizations or into arms production banned under the Versailles Treaty. According to a 1936 report from Ambassador William Dodd to President Roosevelt, a half-dozen key U.S. companies -- International Harvester, Ford, General Motors, Standard Oil of New Jersey, and du Pont -- had become deeply involved in German weapons production. . . .

U.S. investment in Germany accelerated rapidly after Hitler came to power, despite the Depression and Germany's default on virtually all of its government and commercial loans. Commerce Department reports show that U.S. investment in Germany increased some 48.5 percent between 1929 and 1940, while declining sharply everywhere else in continental Europe. U.S. investment in Great Britain . . . barely held steady over the decade, increasing only 2.6 percent.
Calling me a "moron" in his post "Moron On The Loose", Banagor writes, "While I agree with Tom – I know, a real shocker – that we should do something about the Saudis, what exactly is it that we should do? Overthrow that despicable regime and put Bin Laden in the House of Saud? Is that what Saudis really want? Perhaps it is."

No, it isn’t want they want Banagor. This “moron” happens to know the answer to your question. An OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of Saudis don’t want bin Laden to rule Saudi Arabia, 95% don’t want that according to a recent poll. See what you can learn if you make an effort to learn the facts? Instead of calling people morons, why not make an effort to educate yourself? That way you wouldn’t be so ignorant.

Banagor ignorantly replies, "Where on earth do you get that crap from? Official Saudi newspapers or something? Did you know that there are Aliens in Area 51? Why don’t you go and “investigate” that as well?"

"Where on earth do you get that crap from?"
Banagor, you don't strike me as a "thinker". I asked you to make an effort. Unlike you, I am not pulling this stuff out of my ass: The poll I mentioned found "fewer than 5 percent thought it was a good idea for bin Laden to rule the Arabian Peninsula."

Poll of Saudis shows wide support for bin Laden's views Almost half of all Saudis said in a poll conducted last year that they have a favorable view of Osama bin Laden's sermons and rhetoric, but fewer than 5 percent thought it was a good idea for bin Laden to rule the Arabian Peninsula. What are the views they support? Popular things like no troops in Saudi Arabia etc.

Tuesday, September 21, 2004

9/11 Motives and the 9/11 Commission Report

Chapter Two, Section Two of the 9/11 Commission Report is called "Bin Ladin's Appeal in the Islamic World" The report claims, "Bin Ladin's grievance with the United States may have started in reaction to specific U.S. policies but it quickly became far deeper." When I read this I wondered why they thought that bin Ladin's grievance "became" something more than what he had been stating for years. The report correctly reports that "al Qaeda's answer was that America should abandon the Middle East" but then it includes the notion that America should "convert to Islam, and end the immorality and godlessness of its society and culture"

When I read that I knew the source for asserting that bin Laden had suddenly decided to add this as a grievance he has with the US. It could be no other source but the purported "letter to the American people". The report itself acknowledges that this purported grievance is new and sure enough, if you check the source they use it is and only is the purported "'Letter to America' which first appeared on the Internet in Arabic with the claim that it was written by bin Laden. When did bin Laden's grievance supposedly "become far deeper"? When this letter popped up on the Internet a year after 9/11, this is the only source for this claim. That letter popped up on the Internet a year after 9/11. Taking a good look at the facts we can see that this particular letter is not actually from bin Laden. The newspaper that printed the English translation of the letter reported, "Al-Massari's email and bin Laden's letter show ideological similarities."

Bin Laden has given interviews and made video tapes and audio tapes for years and the message has been consistent. U.S. Investigators have nearly a decade of statements directly from bin Laden that state the motives for the attacks on the US and US interests. Bin Laden has been interviewed by western journalists and has for several years repeatedly broadcast a common list of grievances, which he cites as the reason for his jihad. Most of these statements have been confirmed as those from bin Laden but at least one hasn't, that letter purporting to be written by bin Laden, which appeared on the Internet in Arabic. The letter was reported in a November 24, 2002 article in The Observer, in an article that cites no intelligence-agency estimates about its authenticity, only using journalists' beliefs that it is really a letter from bin Laden explaining the motivations for the attacks. Reasons to question the authenticity of this particular letter include:
* A style different from all the interviews
* A strange intro to the letter that acts like the motives have not been stated before.
* Lack of any other source that includes as motives either "debauchery of Western Civilization" or a "call for conversion to Islam of the infidels."

The letter popped up on the Internet and the Observer published an English translation just 12 days after bin Laden had issued an audio tape

The transcript of bin Laden's audio tape of is consistent with what he had been saying for years. He points out that the attacks were "are only reactions and reciprocal actions."
He said, "Why should fear, killing, destruction, displacement, orphaning and widowing continue to be our lot, while security, stability and happiness be your lot? This is unfair. It is time that we get even" he says, "You will be killed just as you kill, and will be bombed just as you bomb." He makes all this clear in the tape. Then suddenly a letter is posted and it has several things in it not said in all the years before or after?

In another audio tape sent months after in the year 2003, bin Laden is once again stating the same message and even pointing out that the Bush Administration lies about the motives: "... the Mujahideen saw the black gang of thugs in the White House hiding the Truth, and their stupid and foolish leader, who is elected and supported by his people, denying reality and proclaiming that we (the Mujahideen) were striking them because we were jealous of them (the Americans), whereas the reality is that we are striking them because of their evil and injustice in the whole of the Islamic World, especially in Iraq and Palestine and their occupation of the Land of the Two Holy Sanctuaries. Upon seeing this, the Mujahideen decided teach them a lesson and to take the war to their heartland. "

Everything in audio and video has been consistant yet this "letter" pops up on the Internet a year after 9/11 and acts like the motives have never been said before and has in it weird stuff like this: "Who can forget your President Clinton's immoral acts committed in the official Oval office? After that you did not even bring him to account, other than that he 'made a mistake', after which everything passed with no punishment. Is there a worse kind of event for which your name will go down in history and remembered by nations?"

Whoever actually did write the letter really laid it on thick: "Is there a worse kind of event for which your name will go down in history and remembered by nations?"

Anyone is free to believe that Clinton's BJ is the "kind of event" that will make our name "go down in history and remembered by nations" but to think bin Laden suddenly became concerned about Clinton's sex life is silly. It looms large in some people's minds here in American and may point to the real origin of the letter but that is really hard to tell. That Internet letter is bogus. Osama bin Laden has made his case clear and has addressed the American people directly: "The Western regimes and the government of the US bear the blame for what might happen. If their people do not wish to be harmed inside their very own countries, they should seek to elect governments that are truly representative of them and that can protect their interests."-bin Laden, May 1998
" America won't get out of this crisis until it gets out of the Arabian Peninsula, and until it stops its support of Israel." -bin Laden, Oct. 2001 whylie.html