Sunday, May 22, 2005

David Ben Gurion's quote was posted on Craigslist: "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" *SEE NOTE BELOW:

You asked, "I have tried to find the source for this "quote" ... Please can somebody tell me where"

I posted:
David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), p. 99. *NOTE: Full quote is here: Conversation between David Ben Gurion and Nahum Goldmann 1956 from The Jewish Paradox

You responded to the source of the Ben Gurion quote with: ""the jewish paradox" hahaha ... you just made my point!!! A whole book dedicated to maligning Jews .... and I am supposed to believe the quotes contained therein? Tell me When and where Ben Gurion said this statement, and in what context. Surely the ORIGINAL text must exist somewhere besides a jew hater book or website ... or maybe not? DBG NEVER made those comments or anything resembling them ....."

You really are an obnoxious fool. You never read the book and know nothing about it, so stop with your BULLSHIT! Do you even know who the author of the book is?

"Together with Chaim Weizmann and David Ben Gurion, Nahum Goldmann is one of the truly towering figures of modern Jewry and has often been called one of the architects of modern Israel." (from the front flap of The Jewish Paradox)

Also "in 1934 Goldmann and Stephen Wise laid the foundations of the World Jewish Congress. ... Between 1956 and 1968 Goldmann combined the presidency of World Jewish Congress with that of the World Zionist Organization." The Jewish Paradox p2 Introduction by Leon Abramowicz

OK guy? You don't know what the hell you are talking about, so stop with your hahaha's. Yes, David Ben Gurion said the quote, he said it directly to Nahum Goldmann in 1956. In the copy of The Jewish Paradox I have right in front of me the quote is on page 99.

( *NOTE: Full quote is here: it has slightly different wording, the book is a translation from the original in French: "Why should the Arabs make peace? If I were an Arab leader, I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why should they accept that? They may perhaps forget in one or two generation's time, but for the moment there is no chance. So it's simple: we have to stay strong and maintain a powerful army. Our whole policy is there. Otherwise the Arabs will wipe us out")

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