don't fall for false premises

We need to make sure we don't fall for false premises. There are indeed problems with many aspects of the status quo. The problem with that is not "polarization" of the two major parties but rather the fact that they are TOGETHER pushing the same agendas.

If we are serious about respecting the rights of the American people then we must have truth as a starting point. We need to talk about the American people and not an abstract concept as "America." The very first thing mentioned which you think is "crucial to its security and welfare" is "worldwide terrorism"

How about we start with the truth about that? We were attacked because of specific foreign policies, NOT because of "our freedoms." We actually could end the terrorist thereat if we insisted on truth and justice! The bottom line? Dishonesty about 9/11 motives robs Americans of the freedom to decide for ourselves if we want to put our lives at risk over specific foreign policies.

dangerous game underway

"There is a dangerous game underway in the Middle East that could erupt at any point in the form of a devastating regional war if urgent diplomatic steps to head it off are not taken immediately. There are growing signs that Israel is pushing the United States to attack Iran's nuclear facilities partly by threatening (or bluffing) to attack itself and partly by using its leverage in Washington to pressure the U.S. Government to harden their stance on Iran's nuclear program." Israel, Iran, and the Future of the Middle East Professor Emeritus Richard Falk is one of the world's leading analysts of International politics. He is a member of JUST 's International Advisory Panel.

Zionists ruthlessly continue their agenda.

Zionists ruthlessly continue their agenda.
Here in America, the people are lied to about what is going on. See the first few minutes of the new film "Occupation 101"

Occupation 101

Occupation 101

Unlike any other films ever produced on the conflict --- 'Occupation' explains the situation in a comprehensive manner and gives audiences a complete context in which to better understand the Israeli-Palestinian encounter. The film depicts the root causes of the conflict through Israeli, Jewish, Christian, Muslim, American, and Palestinian voices that are rarely ever heard through mainstream media outlets.

Chomsky

Chomsky

blame for the American public's confusion.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/cgi-bin/mt/mtb.cgi/7328

I posted this comment to the article 9/11 Truth? I Don't Think So:

Mainstream media is to blame for the American public's confusion. These 9/11 conspiracy theories are not propperly debunked because doing so would include exposing the lies told by pundits and politicians about WHY we were attacked on 9/11. All these lies serve to suppress the motives for 911, which have been stated cleary for years as in the '93 letter the terrorists sent the NYT: "This action was done in response for the American political, economical, and military support to Israel the state of terrorism and to the rest of the dictator countries in the region."

The conspiracy theories AND the lies told by Bush and others must be challanged. I deal with ALL of it in my video, "Facts the "9/11 Skeptics" don't want you to see" see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGAoRrBoPRM also see WTC Pre-Collapse Bowing Debunks 9/11 "Controlled Demolition" Theory

Pressuring the Press

"A just solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict can only be achieved if U.S. policy is based upon American moral principles and a strict adherence to international law. This can only be achieved with a balanced Middle East policy to include fair and unbiased news coverage as required by the ethical Standards of American journalism. Both policies play a major factor in the final determination in bringing a lasting peace in the Middle East. Jews and Arabs have suffered too long. No people have suffered more. It's time for peace in the Middle East"

"I encountered a first hand experience of this pro-Israeli news gestapo tactic just last week. An Associated Press article by Barry Schweid, "US : No Clear Arafat-Terror Link" stated that '..the State Department recently informed Congress that there was no clear evidence that Yasser Arafat or other senior officials of the Palestine Liberation Organization ordered or knew in advance of terror attacks on Israel.'
Within 4 hours of its release the story was immediately withdrawn and replaced with a revised story, one that was far less forgiving on Arafat and the PA. Being the inquisitive person that I am, I immediately called the Associated Press office in Washington and spoke directly with Barry Schweid, the AP writer for both stories. Mr. Schweid informed me that within a few hours after the first story was released his office was swamped with pro-Israeli calls objecting to the article demanding it be revised. In addition, California Congressman Tom Lantos, a staunch Israeli supporter, was near hysterics in his complaints of the article demanding it be withdrawn and revised with a far less innocent portrayal of Chairman Arafat and the Palestinian Authority. Within minutes the article was withdrawn and was replaced with a revised article that was obviously less forgiving and far less favorable on Arafat and the PA."

James J. David is a retired Brigadier General, Georgia Army National Guard, and a graduate of the U.S. Army's Command and General Staff College, and the National Security Course, National Defense University, Washington DC. He served as a Company Commander with the 101st Airborne Division in the Republic of Vietnam in 1969 and 1970 and also served nearly 3 years of Army active duty in and around the Middle East from 1967-1969. You may contact him by writing to (info@whtt.org)

AP lies about Iraqi offer to insure the implementation of all
the requirements of Security Council resolutions

Associated Press lies by claiming the Iraqi letter to the UN was an offer that only hinted at and did not explicitly say talks could lead to resumed weapons inspections

Please Help Get The Truth Out, they have no right to lie to us. Donate to help spread the truth. The American people have a right to know what is really happening. Help make a Representative Press a reality: [donate]

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On 08/03/02 the AP News reported this: "The Iraqi letter hinted, but did not say explicitly, that talks with Blix could lead to resumed weapons inspections." written 08/03 by Barry Schweid (see article below) seen in NYT, AOL, etc. [see Google Search:"> "Powell Dismisses Iraqi Gesture":] It appeared in mainstream news outlets straight from the AP as: "Powell Dismisses Iraqi Gesture"
Now read this from the actual letter (obtained from the Iraqi web site): "At the outset I would like to express thanks and appreciation for your earnest efforts in bringing the ongoing dialogue between us to reach a comprehensive solution to the outstanding problems
between Iraq and the United Nations, as to insure the implementation of all the requirements of Security Council resolutions , especially your sincere efforts during the round of talks in Vienna during the period of July 4-5th, 2002." and this "We believe that this review will be an important step towards the appropriate legal and technical assessment and treatment of the issues of disarmament and to establish a solid base for the next stage of monitoring and inspection activities, and to move forward towards that stage including
agreeing upon the practical arrangements to resume cooperation between Iraq and UNMOVIC in a way to strengthen the common ground to progress towards a comprehensive solution and a concurrent implementation of all the requirements of relevant Security Council Resolutions. (italics added by this website) [source: see Permanent
Mission of Iraq to the United Nations, New York; link: Unofficial translation
of Iraq's letter to the Secretary General of the United Nations inviting
inspectors to Baghdad for talk

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Facts the "9/11 Skeptics" don't want you to see

US and Israeli threat to attack Iran

US and Israeli threat to attack Iran

"Chomsky said that in 2004, the EU and Iran had reached an agreement to temporarily suspend its nuclear programme in return for a firm commitment on security issues in response to a credible US and Israeli threat to attack Iran. "

“This was not reported,” said Chomsky. “Iran lived up to its side of the bargain but the EU, under US pressure abandoned its commitment. The preferred version in the West was that Iran broke the agreement.” Chomsky lecture

Sagging floors of the WTC were photographed

Sagging floors of the WTC were photographed

Outsidemymind1 writes, "Sagging floors? Are you kidding me?"

No I am not kidding you. Look at this: click on pic to enlarge

I need help getting these facts out to the public. These 9/11 conspiracy activists have done a lot of damage. The American people need to know the truth and these guys have undermined efforts to get the truth out.

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Facts the "9/11 Skeptics" don't want you to see

Facts the "9/11 Skeptics" don't want you to see

Inside Job" advocates push a false reason for why we were attacked on 9/11. Fact is their theories have been debunked, they just don't want you to know.

Selling Free Enterprise

Michael, I think your suspicions about these economic theories are well founded.

I recommend you get the book Selling Free Enterprise by Elizabeth A. Fones-Wolf.

How the average American came to view economics is not an accident, it didn't "just happen." How Americans see things today is very much the result of ENORMOUS propaganda campaigns. For example, "At the national level, business organizations like the Advertising Council and the National Association of Manufacturers orchestrated multimillion dollar public relations campaigns that relied on newspapers, magazines, radio, and later television to reeducate the public in the principles and benefits of the American economic system." That is only part of it. There were mandatory economic education programs that companies forced workers to attend and "Busness-Industry-Education Days" where teaches were "educated" so they would "understand" the American business system.

The book has a lot of revealing information, it is worth getting. There are pictures too. One of them shows a flyer that starts with "Let's face it. Maybe the trouble with my work isn't the boss, or the folks I work with, or the way the stuff is coming through" and literally concludes that "wouldn't it be better" for you to "find yourself through faith ..... Come to Church this week"

I want to share with you my analysis of one of the center pieces of propaganda.

I remember in high school the teacher telling us that "Roosevelt tried government programs to get us out of the Great Depression but it took WWII to get us out." "want to improve the economy?" the teacher asked, "have a war" he concluded. And I remember thinking "but" it took? As if WWII wasn't a government program? The propaganda is to hide the fact that capitalism failed and hide the fact that state spending is what saved the economy (and actually what keeps it going today)

There is a lot of deception going on. This "starve the beast" talk is just talk. They don't want state spending to end, they want public money used to benefit them. There are many examples, I just happened to catch another as I was flipping through the TV channels and just happened to catch a mention of something called the "National Nanotechnology Initiative" for a few seconds on the History Channel. It said that the budget was $961 million in 2004. I thought "holy crap", yet another example that puts a lie to the "Capitalist economy" that the public is brainwashed with. "Federal funding for nanotechnology R&D has increased sixfold, from $116 million in 1997 to an estimated $961 million in 2004. The 2005 budget request that President Bush has sent to Congress calls for a total NNI budget of $982 million"

Respect?

Respect?

McCain swore an oath to uphold the U.S. Constitution. Attacking Iraq violated the laws of this land. YES it does matter. This whole damn thing is disgraceful. I don't like the fact that these guys dance around that point.

"we deserve each other’s respect"

McCain and other politicians are extremely offensive. He talks about respect? How much respect does this man have for the American people for him to play along with a lie about why are lives are at risk from terrorists attacks? He LIES when he claims we were attacked on 9/11 "for who we are." This is a grave violation of the rights of the American people, you want to talk cynicism? What kind of person cons his fellow citizens into continuing to put their lives at risk?

Michael, how can you support a man who is robbing the American people of their freedom of self determination. This is life and death, to lie about these things is really low. How more cynical can one be to rationalize feeding the public a lie about why their fellow citizens have lost their lives?

Dishonesty about 9/11 motives robs Americans of the freedom to decide for ourselves if we want to put our lives at risk over specific foreign policies.

Those that push the lie are not sincere. They intentionally omit things in order to misrepresent what the motives are. This should make you think about how honest they were about Iraq intelligence! The Bush administration cited Hussein Kamel's testimony to back up their claims of WMD while ignoring the fact that Kamel said "All chemical weapons were destroyed, I ordered destruction of all chemical weapons. All weapons—biological, chemical, missile, nuclear—were destroyed." "Drumheller also said the Bush administration paid no heed to Naji Sabri, Iraq's foreign minister, who had made a deal to reveal military secrets, and who said there were no secret weapons" "It just sticks in my craw every time I hear them say it's an intelligence failure," Drumheller said.

Look how Tenet selectively quotes from the key sentence being sure to omit this part about WHY they are attacking: "in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim."

The U.S. signed the UN Charter. We are supposed to be a nation of laws. the war on Iraq was illegal. And I think the examples I gave about WMD intelligence were straight forward. You want to avoid what it means. Can you at least agree that when Donald Rumsfeld said "WE KNOW WHERE THEY ARE" he was not telling the truth?

You write on your blog that "your larger motive" for supporting the Iraq war was "the Tom Friedman argument." I suggest that this is a big part of the problem because Friedman has lied to you and he is manipulating you.

Friedman lies about bin Laden's motives. Friedman claims, " the fact is that bin Laden never focused on this issue. He only started talking about "Palestine" after September 11, when he sensed that he might be losing the support of the Arab street. " (p311 of Longitudes & Attitudes ) and " Osama bin Laden never mentioned the Palestinian cause as motivating his actions until he felt he was losing support in the Arab world. " (p361-362 of Longitudes & Attitudes ) What Friedman has written is a flat out lie. To give just one example that disproves what Friedman wrote: "Your position against Muslims in Palestine is despicable and disgraceful. America has no shame. " - Osama bin Laden May 1998

Please do try to make excuses for what Friedman is doing. It should be obvious why Friedman tries to con the American people.

Once you understand what the 9/11 motives actually were (and not what people like Friedman want you to think they were) you can see that attacking Iraq was outrageous.

Once you look at the facts about the 9/11 motives you can see that lack of democracy in Iraq had NOTHING to do with the motivation of the terrorists for the simple fact that they know that Iraq was one of the countries that the U.S. was not currently propping up. Lack of democracy in Iraq had nothing to do with the terrorist threat, they didn't blame us for it! Can you see now how outrageous the war on Iraq was? In fact, the CIA Warned That a U.S. Attack on Iraq Could Ignite Terror!

The Dominant Zionist Plan

I think there needs to be more honesty about how cruel the dominant Zionist plan was and is.

Yes there were Jews that didn't want a discriminatory system imposed on the non-Jews. Decent Jews like Ahad Aham were shocked by the attitude and actions of Zionist Jews. He complained as early as 1891, "They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, unscrupulously deprive them of their rights, insult them without cause, and even boast of these deeds." Some of the Jews who didn't want to go along with this Zionist agenda were murdered by Zionist Jews for taking such a noble stand.

Let's be honest about what the agenda was, the father of Zionism plotted ethnic cleansing and Jewish supremacy from the beginning. Herzl wrote, "Immigration is consequently futile unless based on an assured supremacy." And very early on, he set about trying to get the power to implement the ethnic cleansing he desired. He went to Constatinople in 1901 in an attempt to get a charter that would have given them the right to deport the native population of Palestine.

Look what was done even to many of those you describle as "lucky." In the first 8 years, the Jewish State took away a staggering 50% of all the land owned by Palestinians remaining in Israel. The shocking fact is some 39,000 Palestinians who were "lucky" to find themselves within Israel were robbed anyway! "Israel seized property and land from some 39,000 Palestinians who escaped expulsion and remained in Israel. It was never retuned, and these individuals never received compensation although they are citizens of Israel." (see The Palestinians: In Search of a Just Peace by Cheryl A. Rubenberg )

Violations of International Law and of the U.N. Charter

"The regional superpower Israel is threatening to attack [Iran], the U.S. is threatening to attack it. These threats alone are outright violations international law and of the U.N. charter. Iran is in difficulty. Iran has been trying for some years to negotiate settlement but the U.S. just refuses." - Chomsky

American Mainstream Media

Unfortunately American mainstream media doesn't offer a forum for serious discussion and honest public discourse about U.S. support of Israel. Many things need to be discussed, for example what Israel actually is. When people talk about the destruction of Israel - if all the Jews and non-Jews in Israel lived totally equally, the way let's say hopefully like in America, that would be, by definition, the destruction of Israel.

There are a lot of facts that the media is simply not reporting.

Decent Jews, brave journalists, and honest doctors all attest to the fact that Israeli soldiers are deliberately killing and maiming children.

People don't know facts like this because the media "plays the game." This example shows how they do it: August 2005 I confronted a reporter named N.J. Burkett. I was in the lobby of WABC-TV in NY and I overheard a guy saying, "I just got back from Gaza!" gleefully to N.J. Burkett. I couldn't resist confronting these bastards. I walked over and I asked, "How come you never report that the Israeli settlements in the occupied territories are illegal?" "Everyone knows the settlements are illegal," Burkett say to me. "No they don't," I said. Burkett says, "Sure, it is common knowledge just as there are 10 Amendments in the Bill of Rights." Notice how pathetic Burkett's response is yet this is how these guys rationalize it.

Leigh Wolinsky posted a comment to my post with the same kind of game playing.

My response to her:

You claim you "feel for both sides" yet you have a tantrum when it is pointed out that one side's crimes go unreported. You ignored what my post actually said and you tried to discredit it by concocting a strawman argument. What you wrote was extremely offensive. How dare you claim that those who are honest about Israeli crimes are "disregarding" anything. Your claim is obnoxious since it is Israeli crimes that are routinely disregarded. If you think you can honestly dispute what I have written then try to do so, don't insult me with dishonest and manipulative posts.

Here is yet more evidence that shows mainstream media is not an honest forum: A new If Americans Knew Report Card reveals that Associated Press coverage of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict significantly distorts reality, essentially over-reporting the number of Israelis killed in the conflict and underreporting the number of Palestinians killed. http://www.ifamericansknew.org/ Another reports showed significantly distorted coverage with a bias for Israel by the news shows of ABC, CBS, and NBC as well as the The New York Times. Alison Weir has received deaths threats for attempting to get these facts out to the public.

President Bush's approval ratings

President Bush's approval ratings could go lower but the media would have to start to actually do their job. They need to report the facts so the remaining 31% can see he is a tyrant.

“I don’t give a goddamn,” Bush retorted. “I’m the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way.”

“Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.”

“Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “ It’s just a goddamned piece of paper! ”

Bush has also been appending ''signing statements" to bills which quietly declare he will not obey laws passed by Congress. "Bush had used this technique to exempt himself from the reach of more than 750 laws, far more than any previous president."

The war hungry President was scheming to fly U.S. planes over Iraq "painted in UN colors." That would give Bush the excuse he wanted for a war, "if Saddam fired on them, he would be in breach" Bush declared.

The man is dangerous, and now he is scheming for a confrontation with Iran. Has anyone in the media reported that some of Bush's "on the table" options for Iran are in fact illegal? The media stooges do not like to report the facts. They have not corrected Bush's lie that the Iranian President "says he wants to destroy Israel." They let him off the hook for another disgraceful falsehood. Bush is either a liar or an incompetent ignoramus: He thinks Saddam didn't let the inspectors in and that is why we attacked him! He has said this three times. The media has to stop letting him get away with this. It is unacceptable that this man doesn't have these basic Iraq war facts straight. He sent thousands of Americans to their deaths and the fool doesn't even know why!

Text of Iranian President's Letter to President Bush:

Text of Iranian President's Letter to President Bush:

Mr George Bush, President of the United States of America For sometime now I have been thinking, how one can justify the undeniable contradictions that exist in the international arena -- which are being constantly debated, specially in political forums and amongst university students. Many questions remain unanswered. These have prompted me to discuss some of the contradictions and questions, in the hopes that it might bring about an opportunity to redress them. Can one be a follower of Jesus Christ (PBUH), the great Messenger of God, Feel obliged to respect human rights, Present liberalism as a civilization model, Announce one’s opposition to the proliferation of nuclear weapons and WMDs, Make “War and Terror” his slogan, And finally, Work towards the establishment of a unified international community – a community which Christ and the virtuous of the Earth will one day govern, But at the same time, Have countries attacked; The lives, reputations and possessions of people destroyed and on the slight chance of the presence of a few criminals in a village city, or convoy for example the entire village, city or convey set ablaze. Or because of the possibility of the existence of WMDs in one country, it is occupied, around one hundred thousand people killed, its water sources, agriculture and industry destroyed, close to 180,000 foreign troops put on the ground, sanctity of private homes of citizens broken, and the country pushed back perhaps fifty years. At what price? Hundreds of billions of dollars spent from the treasury of one country and certain other countries and tens of thousands of young men and women – as occupation troops – put in harms way, taken away from family and love ones, their hands stained with the blood of others, subjected to so much psychological pressure that everyday some commit suicide ant those returning home suffer depression, become sickly and grapple with all sorts of aliments; while some are killed and their bodies handed of their families. On the pretext of the existence of WMDs, this great tragedy came to engulf both the peoples of the occupied and the occupying country. Later it was revealed that no WMDs existed to begin with. Of course Saddam was a murderous dictator. But the war was not waged to topple him, the announced goal of the war was to find and destroy weapons of mass destruction. He was toppled along the way towards another goal, nevertheless the people of the region are happy about it. I point out that throughout the many years of the … war on Iran Saddam was supported by the West. Mr President, You might know that I am a teacher. My students ask me how can these actions be reconciled with the values outlined at the beginning of this letter and duty to the tradition of Jesus Christ (PBUH), the Messenger of peace and forgiveness? There are prisoners in Guantanamo Bay that have not been tried, have no legal representation, their families cannot see them and are obviously kept in a strange land outside their own country. There is no international monitoring of their conditions and fate. No one knows whether they are prisoners, POWs, accused or criminals. European investigators have confirmed the existence of secret prisons in Europe too. I could not correlate the abduction of a person, and him or her being kept in secret prisons, with the provisions of any judicial system. For that matter, I fail to understand how such actions correspond to the values outlined in the beginning of this letter, i.e. the teachings of Jesus Christ (PBUH), human rights and liberal values. Young people, university students and ordinary people have many questions about the phenomenon of Israel. I am sure you are familiar with some of them. Throughout history many countries have been occupied, but I think the establishment of a new country with a new people, is a new phenomenon that is exclusive to our times. Students are saying that sixty years ago such a country did no exist. The show old documents and globes and say try as we have, we have not been able to find a country named Israel. I tell them to study the history of WWI and II. One of my students told me that during WWII, which more than tens of millions of people perished in, news about the war, was quickly disseminated by the warring parties. Each touted their victories and the most recent battlefront defeat of the other party. After the war, they claimed that six million Jews had been killed. Six million people that were surely related to at least two million families. Again let us assume that these events are true. Does that logically translate into the establishment of the state of Israel in the Middle East or support for such a state? How can this phenomenon be rationalised or explained? Mr President, I am sure you know how – and at what cost – Israel was established: - Many thousands were killed in the process. - Millions of indigenous people were made refugees. - Hundred of thousands of hectares of farmland, olive plantations, towns and villages were destroyed. This tragedy is not exclusive to the time of establishment; unfortunately it has been ongoing for sixty years now. A regime has been established which does not show mercy even to kids, destroys houses while the occupants are still in them, announces beforehand its list and plans to assassinate Palestinian figures and keeps thousands of Palestinians in prison. Such a phenomenon is unique – or at the very least extremely rare – in recent memory. Another big question asked by people is why is this regime being supported? Is support for this regime in line with the teachings of Jesus Christ (PBUH) or Moses (PBUH) or liberal values? Or are we to understand that allowing the original inhabitants of these lands - inside and outside Palestine - whether they are Christian, Muslim or Jew, to determine their fate, runs contrary to principles of democracy, human rights and the teachings of prophets? If not, why is there so much opposition to a referendum? The newly elected Palestinian administration recently took office. All independent observers have confirmed that this government represents the electorate. Unbelievingly, they have put the elected government under pressure and have advised it to recognise the Israeli regime, abandon the struggle and follow the programs of the previous government. If the current Palestinian government had run on the above platform, would the Palestinian people have voted for it? Again, can such position taken in opposition to the Palestinian government be reconciled with the values outlined earlier? The people are also saying “why are all UNSC resolutions in condemnation of Israel vetoed?” Mr President, As you are well aware, I live amongst the people and am in constant contact with them -- many people from around the Middle East manage to contact me as well. They dot not have faith in these dubious policies either. There is evidence that the people of the region are becoming increasingly angry with such policies. It is not my intention to pose to many questions, but I need to refer to other points as well. Why is it that any technological and scientific achievement reached in the Middle East regions is translated into and portrayed as a threat to the Zionist regime? Is not scientific R&D one of the basic rights of nations? You are familiar with history. Aside from the Middle Ages, in what other point in history has scientific and technical progress been a crime? Can the possibility of scientific achievementsbeing utilised for military purposes be reason enough to oppose science and technology altogether? If such a supposition is true, then all scientific disciplines, including physics, chemistry, mathematics, medicine, engineering, etc. must be opposed. Lies were told in the Iraqi matter. What was the result? I have no doubt that telling lies is reprehensible in any culture, and you do not like to be lied to. Mr President, Don’t Latin Americans have the right to ask, why their elected governments are being opposed and coup leaders supported? Or, why must they constantly be threatened and live in fear? The people of Africa are hardworking, creative and talented. They can play an important and valuable role in providing for the needs of humanity and contribute to its material and spiritual progress. Poverty and hardship in large parts of Africa are preventing this from happening. Don’t they have the right to ask why their enormous wealth – including minerals – is being looted, despite the fact that they need it more than others? Again, do such actions correspond to the teachings of Christ and the tenets of human rights? The brave and faithful people of Iran too have many questions and grievances, including: the coup d’etat of 1953 and the subsequent toppling of the legal government of the day, opposition to the Islamic revolution, transformation of an Embassy into a headquarters supporting, the activities of those opposing the Islamic Republic (many thousands of pages of documents corroborates this claim), support for Saddam in the war waged against Iran, the shooting down of the Iranian passenger plane, freezing the assets of the Iranian nation, increasing threats, anger and displeasure vis-à-vis the scientific and nuclear progress of the Iranian nation (just when all Iranians are jubilant and collaborating their country’s progress), and many other grievances that I will not refer to in this letter. Mr President, September Eleven was a horrendous incident. The killing of innocents is deplorable and appalling in any part of the world. Our government immediately declared its disgust with the perpetrators and offered its condolences to the bereaved and expressed its sympathies. All governments have a duty to protect the lives, property and good standing of their citizens. Reportedly your government employs extensive security, protection and intelligence systems – and even hunts its opponents abroad. September eleven was not a simple operation. Could it be planned and executed without coordination with intelligence and security services – or their extensive infiltration? Of course this is just an educated guess. Why have the various aspects of the attacks been kept secret? Why are we not told who botched their responsibilities? And, why aren’t those responsible and the guilty parties identified and put on trial? All governments have a duty to provide security and peace of mind for their citizens. For some years now, the people of your country and neighbours of world trouble spots do not have peace of mind. After 9.11, instead of healing and tending to the emotional wounds of the survivors and the American people – who had been immensely traumatised by the attacks – some Western media only intensified the climates of fear and insecurity – some constantly talked about the possibility of new terror attacks and kept the people in fear. Is that service to the American people? Is it possible to calculate the damages incurred from fear and panic? American citizen lived in constant fear of fresh attacks that could come at any moment and in any place. They felt insecure in the streets, in their place of work and at home. Who would be happy with this situation? Why was the media, instead of conveying a feeling of security and providing peace of mind, giving rise to a feeling of insecurity? Some believe that the hype paved the way – and was the justification – for an attack on Afghanistan. Again I need to refer to the role of media. In media charters, correct dissemination of information and honest reporting of a story are established tenets. I express my deep regret about the disregard shown by certain Western media for these principles. The main pretext for an attack on Iraq was the existence of WMDs. This was repeated incessantly – for the public to, finally, believe – and the ground set for an attack on Iraq. Will the truth not be lost in a contrive and deceptive climate? Again, if the truth is allowed to be lost, how can that be reconciled with the earlier mentioned values? Is the truth known to the Almighty lost as well? Mr President, In countries around the world, citizens provide for the expenses of governments so that their governments in turn are able to serve them. The question here is “what has the hundreds of billions of dollars, spent every year to pay for the Iraqi campaign, produced for the citizens?” As your Excellency is aware, in some states of your country, people are living in poverty. Many thousands are homeless and unemployment is a huge problem. Of course these problems exist – to a larger or lesser extent – in other countries as well. With these conditions in mind, can the gargantuan expenses of the campaign – paid from the public treasury – be explained and be consistent with the aforementioned principles? What has been said, are some of the grievances of the people around the world, in our region and in your country. But my main contention – which I am hoping you will agree to some of it – is: Those in power have specific time in office, and do not rule indefinitely, but their names will be recorded in history and will be constantly judged in the immediate and distant futures. The people will scrutinize our presidencies. Did we manage to bring peace, security and prosperity for the people or insecurity and unemployment? Did we intend to establish justice, or just supported especial interest groups, and by forcing many people to live in poverty and hardship, made a few people rich and powerful – thus trading the approval of the people and the Almighty with theirs’? Did we defend the rights of the underprivileged or ignore them? Did we defend the rights of all people around the world or imposed wars on them, interfered illegally in their affairs, established hellish prisons and incarcerated some of them? Did we bring the world peace and security or raised the specter of intimidation and threats? Did we tell the truth to our nation and others around the world or presented an inverted version of it? Were we on the side of people or the occupiers and oppressors? Did our administration set out to promote rational behaviour, logic, ethics, peace, fulfilling obligations, justice, service to the people, prosperity, progress and respect for human dignity or the force of guns,intimidation, insecurity, disregard for the people, delaying the progress and excellence of other nations, and trample on people’s rights? And finally, they will judge us on whether we remained true to our oath of office – to serve the people, which is our main task, and the traditions of the prophets – or not? Mr President, How much longer can the world tolerate this situation? Where will this trend lead the world to? How long must the people of the world pay for the incorrect decisions of some rulers? How much longer will the specter of insecurity – raised from the stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction – hunt the people of the world? How much longer will the blood of the innocent men, women and children be spilled on the streets, and people’s houses destroyed over their heads? Are you pleased with the current condition of the world? Do you think present policies can continue? If billions of dollars spent on security, military campaigns and troop movement were instead spent on investment and assistance for poor countries, promotion of health, combating different diseases, education and improvement of mental and physical fitness, assistance to the victims of natural disasters, creation of employment opportunities and production, development projects and poverty alleviation, establishment of peace, mediation between disputing states and distinguishing the flames of racial, ethnic and other conflicts were would the world be today? Would not your government, and people be justifiably proud? Would not your administration’s political and economic standing have been stronger? And I am most sorry to say, would there have been an ever increasing global hatred of the American governments? Mr President, it is not my intention to distress anyone. If prophet Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Ishmael, Joseph or Jesus Christ (PBUH) were with us today, how would they have judged such behaviour? Will we be given a role to play in the promised world, where justice will become universal and Jesus Christ (PBUH) will be present? Will they even accept us? My basic question is this: Is there no better way to interact with the rest of the world? Today there are hundreds of millions of Christians, hundreds of millions of Moslems and millions of people who follow the teachings of Moses (PBUH). All divine religions share and respect on word and that is “monotheism” or belief in a single God and no other in the world. The holy Koran stresses this common word and calls on an followers of divine religions and says: [3.64] Say: O followers of the Book! Come to an equitable proposition between us and you that we shall not serve any but Allah and (that) we shall not associate aught. With Him and (that) some of us shall not take others for lords besides Allah, but if they turn back, then say: Bear witness that we are Muslims. (The Family of Imran). Mr President, According to divine verses, we have all been called upon to worship one God and follow the teachings of divine prophets. “To worship a God which is above all powers in the world and can do all He pleases.” “The Lord which knows that which is hidden and visible, the past and the future, knows what goes on in the Hearts of His servants and records their deeds.” “The Lord who is the possessor of the heavens and the earth and all universe is His court” “planning for the universe is done by His hands, and gives His servants the glad tidings of mercy and forgiveness of sins”. “He is the companion of the oppressed and the enemy of oppressors”. “He is the Compassionate, the Merciful”. “He is the recourse of the faithful and guides them towards the light from darkness”. “He is witness to the actions of His servants”, “He calls on servants to be faithful and do good deeds, and asks them to stay on the path of righteousness and remain steadfast”. “Calls on servants to heed His prophets and He is a witness to their deeds.” “A bad ending belongs only to those who have chosen the life of this world and disobey Him and oppress His servants”. And “A good and eternal paradise belong to those servants who fear His majesty and do not follow their lascivious selves.” We believe a return to the teachings of the divine prophets is the only road leading to salvations. I have been told that Your Excellency follows the teachings of Jesus (PBUH), and believes in the divine promise of the rule of the righteous on Earth. We also believe that Jesus Christ (PBUH) was one of the great prophets of the Almighty. He has been repeatedly praised in the Koran. Jesus (PBUH) has been quoted in Koran as well; [19,36] And surely Allah is my Lord and your Lord, therefore serves Him; this is the right path, Marium. Service to and obedience of the Almighty is the credo of all divine messengers. The God of all people in Europe, Asia, Africa, America, the Pacific and the rest of the world is one. He is the Almighty who wants to guide and give dignity to all His servants. He has given greatness to Humans. We again read in the Holy Book: “The Almighty God sent His prophets with miracles and clear signs to guide the people and show them divine signs and purity them from sins and pollutions. And He sent the Book and the balance so that the people display justice and avoid the rebellious.” All of the above verses can be seen, one way or the other, in the Good Book as well. Divine prophets have promised: The day will come when all humans will congregate before the court of the Almighty, so that their deeds are examined. The good will be directed towards Haven and evildoers will meet divine retribution. I trust both of us believe in such a day, but it will not be easy to calculate the actions of rulers, because we must be answerable to our nations and all others whose lives have been directly or indirectly effected by our actions. All prophets, speak of peace and tranquillity for man – based on monotheism, justice and respect for human dignity. Do you not think that if all of us come to believe in and abide by these principles, that is, monotheism, worship of God, justice, respect for the dignity of man, belief in the Last Day, we can overcome the present problems of the world – that are the result of disobedience to the Almighty and the teachings of prophets – and improve our performance? Do you not think that belief in these principles promotes and guarantees peace, friendship and justice? Do you not think that the aforementioned written or unwritten principles are universally respected? Will you not accept this invitation? That is, a genuine return to the teachings of prophets, to monotheism and justice, to preserve human dignity and obedience to the Almighty and His prophets? Mr President, History tells us that repressive and cruel governments do not survive. God has entrusted The fate of man to them. The Almighty has not left the universe and humanity to their own devices. Many things have happened contrary to the wishes and plans of governments. These tell us that there is a higher power at work and all events are determined by Him. Can one deny the signs of change in the world today? Is this situation of the world today comparable to that of ten years ago? Changes happen fast and come at a furious pace. The people of the world are not happy with the status quo and pay little heed to the promises and comments made by a number of influential world leaders. Many people around the world feel insecure and oppose the spreading of insecurity and war and do not approve of and accept dubious policies. The people are protesting the increasing gap between the haves and the have-nots and the rich and poor countries. The people are disgusted with increasing corruption. The people of many countries are angry about the attacks on their cultural foundations and the disintegration of families. They are equally dismayed with the fading of care and compassion. The people of the world have no faith in international organisations, because their rights are not advocated by these organisations. Liberalism and Western style democracy have not been able to help realize the ideals of humanity. Today these two concepts have failed. Those with insight can already hear the sounds of the shattering and fall of the ideology and thoughts of the liberal democratic systems. We increasingly see that people around the world are flocking towards a main focal point –- that is the Almighty God. Undoubtedly through faith in God and the teachings of the prophets, the people will conquer their problems. My question for you is: “Do you not want to join them?” Mr President, Whether we like it or not, the world is gravitating towards faith in the Almighty and justice and the will of God will prevail over all things. Vasalam Ala Man Ataba’al hoda Mahmood Ahmadi-Najad President of the Islamic Republic of Iran

The Emperor is Above The Law

The Emperor is Above The Law

"Many legal scholars say they believe that Bush's theory about his own powers goes too far and that he is seizing for himself some of the law-making role of Congress and the Constitution-interpreting role of the courts."

"Legal scholars say the scope and aggression of Bush's assertions that he can bypass laws represent a concerted effort to expand his power at the expense of Congress, upsetting the balance between the branches of government. The Constitution is clear in assigning to Congress the power to write the laws and to the president a duty ''to take care that the laws be faithfully executed." Bush, however, has repeatedly declared that he does not need to ''execute" a law he believes is unconstitutional."
Bush’s contention that he can ignore provisions of the Patriot Act, whose renewal he ushered last month, has drawn scrutiny

LOOK HOW MUCH OF AN ABUSE OF POWER THIS IS! President Bush must be stopped, he must be held accountable to the law of the United States.

Bush is the first president in modern history who has never vetoed a bill, giving Congress no chance to override his judgments. Instead, he has signed every bill that reached his desk, often inviting the legislation's sponsors to signing ceremonies at which he lavishes praise upon their work.

Then, after the media and the lawmakers have left the White House, Bush quietly files ''signing statements" -- official documents in which a president lays out his legal interpretation of a bill for the federal bureaucracy to follow when implementing the new law. The statements are recorded in the federal register.

In his signing statements, Bush has repeatedly asserted that the Constitution gives him the right to ignore numerous sections of the bills -- sometimes including provisions that were the subject of negotiations with Congress in order to get lawmakers to pass the bill. He has appended such statements to more than one of every 10 bills he has signed.

''He agrees to a compromise with members of Congress, and all of them are there for a public bill-signing ceremony, but then he takes back those compromises -- and more often than not, without the Congress or the press or the public knowing what has happened," said Christopher Kelley, a Miami University of Ohio political science professor who studies executive power. - http://www.boston.com/news/nation/

Some apologists still want to deny how fascist President Bush really is. Others are seeing it: Not that this is much of a surprise, but here’s yet more evidence that President Bush and his Administration care very little for the Constitution or the rule of law.

The Role of Israel in American Foreign Policy

The Role of Israel in American Foreign Policy

We close with a final comment about the controversy surrounding our article. Although we are not surprised by the hostility directed at us, we are still disappointed that more attention has not been paid to the substance of the piece. The fact remains that the United States is in deep trouble in the Middle East, and it will not be able to develop effective policies if it is impossible to have a civilised discussion about the role of Israel in American foreign policy. - Is It Possible to Have a Civilized Discussion About the Role of Israel in American Foreign Policy? The Storm over "the Israel Lobby" JOHN MEARSHEIMER and STEPHEN WALT

Save Net Neutrality!

Save Net Neutrality!
"A thorough explanation of the consequences of legislation currently considered by a Congress "under extreme pressure by telecom lobbies" to "set up toll booths on the Internet.... leav[ing] the rest of the [non-corporate] Internet community running slowly or not at all.""

"The issue in question is whether Congress should preserve a concept called "net neutrality." Net neutrality is the Internet's First Amendment; it's a principle that guarantees that all Web sites and online features have unfettered access to the Internet regardless of the size of their bank accounts.

Dishonesty about 9/11 motives robs Americans

Dishonesty about 9/11 motives robs Americans of the freedom to decide for ourselves if we want to put our lives at risk over specific foreign policies.

The latest attempt to dupe Americans about why we were attacked on 9/11 comes from Brendan O'Neill, a writer based in London, in his article The Shocking Truth About Osama bin Laden Apparently, he reads our blogs.

Here is my email in response:

Brendan,

You wrote, "Here's a more plausible account: Numerous commentators in the West presumed that 9/11 was payback for American policy in the Middle East, and especially its support for Israel against Palestine, so bin Laden, previously a Saudi obsessive, adopted those arguments as his own. Even before 9/11, Al Qaeda's occasional nods to Palestine were at best a cynical attempt to connect with the Arab masses through the Arab media. Bin Laden’s justifications for 9/11 also changed in tune with Western theories."

What motivated you to write such a thing? Bin Laden has been clear and consistent for years. Your "more plausible account" is absurd. Your nonsense is as irritating as the crap about "controlled demolition" of the World Trade Center. You seem to resent that "numerous commentators" correctly identified the motives that bin Laden has been clearly stating for years. Could it have been more crystal clear? "The International Islamic Front for Jihad against the U.S. and Israel has issued a crystal-clear fatwa calling on the Islamic nation to carry on jihad aimed at liberating holy sites. The nation of Muhammad has responded to this appeal. If the instigation for jihad against the Jews and the Americans in order to liberate Al-Aksa Mosque and the Holy Ka'aba Islamic shrines in the Middle East is considered a crime, then let history be a witness that I am a criminal." - Osama bin Laden May 1999

"Your position against Muslims in Palestine is despicable and disgraceful. America has no shame. ... We believe that the worst thieves in the world today and the worst terrorists are the Americans. Nothing could stop you except perhaps retaliation in kind. We do not have to differentiate between military or civilian. As far as we are concerned, they are all targets, and this is what the fatwah says ... . The fatwah is general (comprehensive) and it includes all those who participate in, or help the Jewish occupiers in killing Muslims. " - Osama bin Laden May 1998

"For over half a century, Muslims in Palestine have been slaughtered and assaulted and robbed of their honor and of their property. Their houses have been blasted, their crops destroyed. And the strange thing is that any act on their part to avenge themselves or to lift the injustice befalling them causes great agitation in the United Nations which hastens to call for an emergency meeting only to convict the victim and to censure the wronged and the tyrannized whose children have been killed and whose crops have been destroyed and whose farms have been pulverized " - Osama bin Laden May 1998

These statements are all before 9/11.

Your attempt to deny the 9/11 motives is insulting and manipulative. The crystal clear 1998 Fatwa says: "No one argues today about three facts that are known to everyone; we will list them, in order to remind everyone: "
It then lists three clear motives:

1. U.S. occupation of the Arabian Peninsula.

"First, for over seven years the United States has been occupying the lands of Islam in the holiest of places, the Arabian Peninsula, plundering its riches, dictating to its rulers, humiliating its people, terrorizing its neighbors, and turning its bases in the Peninsula into a spearhead through which to fight the neighboring Muslim peoples.
If some people have in the past argued about the fact of the occupation, all the people of the Peninsula have now acknowledged it. The best proof of this is the Americans' continuing aggression against the Iraqi people using the Peninsula as a staging post, even though all its rulers are against their territories being used to that end, but they are helpless."

2. U.S. aggression against the Iraqi people.

"Second, despite the great devastation inflicted on the Iraqi people by the crusader-Zionist alliance, and despite the huge number of those killed, which has exceeded 1 million... despite all this, the Americans are once against trying to repeat the horrific massacres, as though they are not content with the protracted blockade imposed after the ferocious war or the fragmentation and devastation. So here they come to annihilate what is left of this people and to humiliate their Muslim neighbors."

3. U.S. support of Israel.

"Third, if the Americans' aims behind these wars are religious and economic, the aim is also to serve the Jews' petty state and divert attention from its occupation of Jerusalem and murder of Muslims there. The best proof of this is their eagerness to destroy Iraq, the strongest neighboring Arab state, and their endeavor to fragment all the states of the region such as Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Sudan into paper statelets and through their disunion and weakness to guarantee Israel's survival and the continuation of the brutal crusade occupation of the Peninsula."

You article misrepresents the history. What is your agenda? I live in America and I don't appreciate someone trying to con me and my fellow citizens about why our lives are being threatened. Don't try to rob Americans of the freedom to decide for ourselves if we want to put our lives at risk over specific foreign policies.

Look at the facts. The 9/11 Commission reported on the motive of the "mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks." On page 147 of the 9/11 Commission Report, it says "By his own account, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's animus toward the United States stemmed not from his experiences there as a student, but rather from his violent disagreement with U.S. foreign policy favoring Israel. "" see Khalid Shaikh Mohammed's motivation was his objection to the US foreign policy of supporting Israel said the final report of the Sept. 11 Commission.

The two terrorist pilots who crashed the two planes into the WTC shared the same motivation. Mohammed Atta, who flew into WTC 1, was described by one Ralph Bodenstein, who traveled, worked and talked with him, as "most imbued actually about Israeli politics in the region and about U.S. protection of these Israeli politics in the region. And he was to a degree personally suffering from that." Marwan al-Shehhi, the pilot who flew into WTC 2, was focused on the same thing, "when someone asked why he and Atta never laughed, Shehhi retorted,"How can you laugh when people are dying in Palestine?"" - page 162 THE 9/11 COMMISSION REPORT

These facts point to a motive for attacking the WTC in 2001 that is consistent with the motive expressed by terrorists in a letter sent to the New York Times after the 1993 bombing attack of the WTC, "We declare our responsibility for the explosion on the mentioned building. This action was done in response for the American political, economical, and military support to Israel the state of terrorism and to the rest of the dictator countries in the region." Ramzi Yousef, the 1993 WTC bomber, was motivated to attack the US because of US support of Israel: He had no other motivation, no other issue.

It is also the same motive that Mir Aimal Kasi had for killing CIA employees Frank Darling and Lansing Bennett outside CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia in 1993 . Mir Aimal Kasi said, "What I did was a retaliation against the US government for American policy in the Middle East and its support of Israel."

http://www.representativepress.org/whylie.html
http://www.representativepress.org/1998Fatwa.html
http://www.representativepress.org/Motivesfor911.html
http://representativepress.blogspot.com/2006/04/main-issue-was-us-support-of-israel.html
http://representativepress.blogspot.com/2005/08/gorilla-in-room-is-us-support-for.html
http://representativepress.blogspot.com/2005/09/no-other-motivation-no-other.html
http://www.representativepress.org/BowingDebunksExplosives.html
http://representativepress.blogspot.com/2006/05/911-conspiracy-people-are-still-at-it.html

We don't deserve to be lied to. You should do the right thing and apologize to your readers for either being ignorant or dishonest. To deceive people about why their countrymen have been killed and to dupe others into continuing to put their lives at risk over policies that you protect is one of the lowest things a person can do. Perhaps you can suggest to Reason that my letter be run as a rebuttal column for which I could get paid. I need money to get the facts out to the public and undo the damage people like you have done.

-Tom

tinyurl.com/q6v43

US threats against Iran

US threats against Iran

"US threats against Iran have found new dimension to the extent that US dailies are publishing stories about possibility of aggression on Iran and whether the US would use nuclear arms against Iran and the US officials do not reject such stories," writes Iranian Ambassador to United Nations Mohammad Javad Zarif in a letter to United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan

"US officials are impudently threatening Iran with use of force in blatant contravention of international law and the basic principles of United Nations Charter," Ambassador Zarif said.

"He called for immediate action by UN Security Council to stop US threats against Iran and said that failure of the body to stop US from violating the international law and United Nations Charter in the past has emboldened the US officials to say, "The option of nuclear attack on Iran is on the table."

"An economic expert and member of the Pakistan parliament on Tuesday cautioned against the possible US option of war to resolve Iran's nuclear issue, saying this would play havoc with the world economy." - Coercion to resolve Iran N-issue to destroy world economy: Pak MP

What the Bush Administration is doing with all the threats against Iran is dangerous.
Please read OFF THE TABLE

Griffin is simply wrong

The very thing that Griffin points to as a feature of a fire caused collapse we can see in photos of the World Trade Center.

Griffin writes, "in fire-induced collapses---if we had any examples of such---the onset would be gradual. Horizontal beams and trusses would begin to sag; vertical columns, if subjected to strong forces, would begin to bend. But as videos of the towers show, there were no signs of bending or sagging, even on the floors just above the damage caused by the impact of the planes." But contrary to what Griffin claims, there were indeed signs of bending or sagging. Witnesses reported it and photos document it. Griffin is simply wrong.

Griffin erroneously writes "The buildings were perfectly motionless up to the moment they began their collapse." The fact is, before the collapse of either tower, evidence the structures of the WTC were failing, columns bending, floors sagging, was reported by Police, Firemen and civilians. We can see in the photos that the exterior columns were bowing in the minutes before the collapse, in the case of the South Tower, the bending was evident as early as 18 minutes after the plane's impact.

Griffin writes, "In controlled demolition, the onset of the collapse is sudden. One moment, the building is perfectly motionless; the next moment, it suddenly begins to collapse." But the buildings did not suddenly collapse without any indications. Instead, exterior columns buckled because the fires weakened the floor trusses and the floors sagged. The sagging floors pulled on intact column connections so as the floors sagged down, they pulled the exterior columns inward. This inward bowing of the exterior columns was evident to observers such as the police helicopters circling the towers.

"While the buildings were able to withstand the initial impact of the aircraft, the resulting fires that spread through the towers weakened support columns and floors that had fireproofing dislodged by the impacts. This eventually led to collapse as the perimeter columns were pulled inward by the sagging floors and buckled." "The reason the towers collapsed is because the fireproofing was dislodged," according to Sunder. If the fireproofing had remained in place, Sunder said, the fires would have burned out and moved on without weakening key elements to the point of structural collapse." - Bowing Debunks Explosives

WTC photos show buckling steel columns in the minutes before the collapse of the buildings.
See Controlled Demolition Debunked
see previous post for debunking of WTC 7 claims

UPDATE: Just added the following to the video info of my video "Facts "9/11 Skeptics" don't want you to see: REAL 911 Truth":
Griffin also makes the mistake of quoting Kevin Ryan who concocted the idea that one of the tests designed to estimate the fire rating of the floor assemblies as they were built was done in order to provide data to input into the fire response model. Griffin and Kevin Ryan are wrong. See page 50 of "On Debunking 9/11 Debunking, Examining Dr. David Ray Griffin's Latest Criticism of the NISTWorld Trade Center Investigation" by Ryan Mackey "Because this test was subscale and represented an undamaged floor assembly, we should not expect floor deflection in the WTC Towers, both larger and with damaged fireproofing, to be the same. Thus, the WTC Tower floors would not be expected to sag only 3 inches." "We have now demonstrated that the NIST models do not rely upon unsupported "tweaking" of models. Rather, Dr. Griffin and his colleagues are mistaken about the sources of information used to develop those models. As a result, Dr. Griffin's charge, that the NIST model conclusions result from circular reasoning, is incorrect." (pp. 50-51)

9/11 conspiracy people are still at it

The 9/11 conspiracy people are still at it. This post from RANDKILLER999 05.01.06 - 2:19 am :
"wtc building 7 proves 911 was an inside job ---------------- the most historical opportunity of all time, the revelation of the 911hoax, once people figure out that this was all done by the cheney cabal it will stand forever as a memory that will end govt tyranny and war forever--- RISE!!"

RANDKILLER999, no.

WTC 7 was severely damaged and was on fire for hours

At 10:29 a.m., WTC 1 (the north tower) collapsed and contrary to the claims of 9/11 conspiracy people, it did not collapse into its footprint like a controlled explosion. (See the diagram) Instead, as the building collapsed, the debris from WTC 1 spilled into the surrounding streets and onto WTC 7 among others, damaging the building. (See the diagram to the left showing the debris in black which extended north beyond WTC 6). read more at link

Most 9/11 conspiracy people only show you the east side and north side of WTC 7 but it is the south side of the building that was damaged by the debris from WTC 1 and it is the west side of the building where the smoke was pouring out of. (see figures 5-16 and 5-17)

"at the edge of the south face you could see that it was very heavily damaged. ... until you had done either a couple of 360s around this whole site or if you got an aerial view somehow, you really couldn’t appreciate the scope of the damage." - Battalion Chief John Norman Special Operations Command - 22 years
see: WTC 7 Page 2 for more eyewitness accounts from firemen and photographic evidence

They bring up the Madrid Windsor Tower but Maddrid was a very different construction. From the link you provided: "with a central core of reinforced concrete that resisted the high temperatures of the fire without collapsing." An important point is that the design of the Madrid Windsor Tower was entirely different to that of the WTC.

And the steel columns above the 17th floor suffered complete collapse, partially coming to rest on the upper technical floor.

Jones and his thermite theory

Jones is ridiculous. Now the story is that the buildings fell because "thermite" melted the steel floor by floor? If there was a "thermite reaction" taking place on every floor the melting would take at least a little time and the process would be creating a huge amount of smoke.

What we see is a collapse floor by floor, we don't see an enormous amount of smoke (from hundreds of theoretical thermite reactions) suddenly pouring out of the whole building. Think about it, Jones is claiming that as some point thermite reactions took place. If that were so, then where is all the increase in smoke? There would have been an enormous amount of smoke suddenly released well before the collapse as the "thermite" burns through the steel. Remember that it has to start as least some time before the crashing down of the floors. Instead we see the building burning and there is no sudden pouring out of extra smoke preceding the collapse.

This thermite theory Jones concocted blurs the idea of explosives and an incendiary reaction. The thermite theory is really as nutty as the "no planes" theory.

The very thing that Griffin points to as a feature of a fire caused collapse we can see in photos of the World Trade Center.

Griffin writes, "in fire-induced collapses---if we had any examples of such---the onset would be gradual. Horizontal beams and trusses would begin to sag; vertical columns, if subjected to strong forces, would begin to bend. But as videos of the towers show, there were no signs of bending or sagging, even on the floors just above the damage caused by the impact of the planes." But contrary to what Griffin claims, there were indeed signs of bending or sagging. Witnesses reported it and photos document it. Griffin is simply wrong.

Griffin erroneously writes "The buildings were perfectly motionless up to the moment they began their collapse." The fact is, before the collapse of either tower, evidence the structures of the WTC were failing, columns bending, floors sagging, was reported by Police, Firemen and civilians. We can see in the photos that the exterior columns were bowing in the minutes before the collapse, in the case of the South Tower, the bending was evident as early as 18 minutes after the plane's impact.

Griffin writes, "In controlled demolition, the onset of the collapse is sudden. One moment, the building is perfectly motionless; the next moment, it suddenly begins to collapse." But the buildings did not suddenly collapse without any indications. Instead, exterior columns buckled because the fires weakened the floor trusses and the floors sagged. The sagging floors pulled on intact column connections so as the floors sagged down, they pulled the exterior columns inward. This inward bowing of the exterior columns was evident to observers such as the police helicopters circling the towers.

"While the buildings were able to withstand the initial impact of the aircraft, the resulting fires that spread through the towers weakened support columns and floors that had fireproofing dislodged by the impacts. This eventually led to collapse as the perimeter columns were pulled inward by the sagging floors and buckled." "The reason the towers collapsed is because the fireproofing was dislodged," according to Sunder. If the fireproofing had remained in place, Sunder said, the fires would have burned out and moved on without weakening key elements to the point of structural collapse." - Bowing Debunks Explosives

WTC photos show buckling steel columns in the minutes before the collapse of the buildings.

"Beleive what you will." - Anonymous

Anonymous, I know you must feel embarrassed being proven wrong but you can't deny what is in the photos and what was witnessed too. People had been reporting that the building was failing.

Blame these "9/11 truth" websites for your embarrassment, they set you up by withholding these facts from you. I have tried to get them to deal with the evidence but they ban me and refuse to link to the photos.

Come on man, the very thing Griffin says is evidence of a fire caused collapse we can see in photos had happened! We need to deal with the damn policies. I really am getting sick of this crap. You might also be manipulated by people deflecting away from the actual motives for the 9/11 attacks? Is that your agenda too?

Gee whiz, if it was our government that did 9/11 then we don't have to think about the policies of supporting Israel and other oppressive regimes in the Middle East. Is that your freakin' game?
See Controlled Demolition Debunked
http://www.geocities.com/debunking911/firsttime.htm
http://www.geocities.com/factsnotfantasy/
http://www.geocities.com/debunking911/
http://www.911myths.com/
http://tinyurl.com/pe62n