9/11 conspiracy people are still at it

The 9/11 conspiracy people are still at it. This post from RANDKILLER999 05.01.06 - 2:19 am :
"wtc building 7 proves 911 was an inside job ---------------- the most historical opportunity of all time, the revelation of the 911hoax, once people figure out that this was all done by the cheney cabal it will stand forever as a memory that will end govt tyranny and war forever--- RISE!!"

RANDKILLER999, no.

WTC 7 was severely damaged and was on fire for hours

At 10:29 a.m., WTC 1 (the north tower) collapsed and contrary to the claims of 9/11 conspiracy people, it did not collapse into its footprint like a controlled explosion. (See the diagram) Instead, as the building collapsed, the debris from WTC 1 spilled into the surrounding streets and onto WTC 7 among others, damaging the building. (See the diagram to the left showing the debris in black which extended north beyond WTC 6). read more at link

Most 9/11 conspiracy people only show you the east side and north side of WTC 7 but it is the south side of the building that was damaged by the debris from WTC 1 and it is the west side of the building where the smoke was pouring out of. (see figures 5-16 and 5-17)

"at the edge of the south face you could see that it was very heavily damaged. ... until you had done either a couple of 360s around this whole site or if you got an aerial view somehow, you really couldn’t appreciate the scope of the damage." - Battalion Chief John Norman Special Operations Command - 22 years
see: WTC 7 Page 2 for more eyewitness accounts from firemen and photographic evidence

They bring up the Madrid Windsor Tower but Maddrid was a very different construction. From the link you provided: "with a central core of reinforced concrete that resisted the high temperatures of the fire without collapsing." An important point is that the design of the Madrid Windsor Tower was entirely different to that of the WTC.

And the steel columns above the 17th floor suffered complete collapse, partially coming to rest on the upper technical floor.

Jones and his thermite theory

Jones is ridiculous. Now the story is that the buildings fell because "thermite" melted the steel floor by floor? If there was a "thermite reaction" taking place on every floor the melting would take at least a little time and the process would be creating a huge amount of smoke.

What we see is a collapse floor by floor, we don't see an enormous amount of smoke (from hundreds of theoretical thermite reactions) suddenly pouring out of the whole building. Think about it, Jones is claiming that as some point thermite reactions took place. If that were so, then where is all the increase in smoke? There would have been an enormous amount of smoke suddenly released well before the collapse as the "thermite" burns through the steel. Remember that it has to start as least some time before the crashing down of the floors. Instead we see the building burning and there is no sudden pouring out of extra smoke preceding the collapse.

This thermite theory Jones concocted blurs the idea of explosives and an incendiary reaction. The thermite theory is really as nutty as the "no planes" theory.

The very thing that Griffin points to as a feature of a fire caused collapse we can see in photos of the World Trade Center.

Griffin writes, "in fire-induced collapses---if we had any examples of such---the onset would be gradual. Horizontal beams and trusses would begin to sag; vertical columns, if subjected to strong forces, would begin to bend. But as videos of the towers show, there were no signs of bending or sagging, even on the floors just above the damage caused by the impact of the planes." But contrary to what Griffin claims, there were indeed signs of bending or sagging. Witnesses reported it and photos document it. Griffin is simply wrong.

Griffin erroneously writes "The buildings were perfectly motionless up to the moment they began their collapse." The fact is, before the collapse of either tower, evidence the structures of the WTC were failing, columns bending, floors sagging, was reported by Police, Firemen and civilians. We can see in the photos that the exterior columns were bowing in the minutes before the collapse, in the case of the South Tower, the bending was evident as early as 18 minutes after the plane's impact.

Griffin writes, "In controlled demolition, the onset of the collapse is sudden. One moment, the building is perfectly motionless; the next moment, it suddenly begins to collapse." But the buildings did not suddenly collapse without any indications. Instead, exterior columns buckled because the fires weakened the floor trusses and the floors sagged. The sagging floors pulled on intact column connections so as the floors sagged down, they pulled the exterior columns inward. This inward bowing of the exterior columns was evident to observers such as the police helicopters circling the towers.

"While the buildings were able to withstand the initial impact of the aircraft, the resulting fires that spread through the towers weakened support columns and floors that had fireproofing dislodged by the impacts. This eventually led to collapse as the perimeter columns were pulled inward by the sagging floors and buckled." "The reason the towers collapsed is because the fireproofing was dislodged," according to Sunder. If the fireproofing had remained in place, Sunder said, the fires would have burned out and moved on without weakening key elements to the point of structural collapse." - Bowing Debunks Explosives

WTC photos show buckling steel columns in the minutes before the collapse of the buildings.

"Beleive what you will." - Anonymous

Anonymous, I know you must feel embarrassed being proven wrong but you can't deny what is in the photos and what was witnessed too. People had been reporting that the building was failing.

Blame these "9/11 truth" websites for your embarrassment, they set you up by withholding these facts from you. I have tried to get them to deal with the evidence but they ban me and refuse to link to the photos.

Come on man, the very thing Griffin says is evidence of a fire caused collapse we can see in photos had happened! We need to deal with the damn policies. I really am getting sick of this crap. You might also be manipulated by people deflecting away from the actual motives for the 9/11 attacks? Is that your agenda too?

Gee whiz, if it was our government that did 9/11 then we don't have to think about the policies of supporting Israel and other oppressive regimes in the Middle East. Is that your freakin' game?
See Controlled Demolition Debunked
http://www.geocities.com/debunking911/firsttime.htm
http://www.geocities.com/factsnotfantasy/
http://www.geocities.com/debunking911/
http://www.911myths.com/
http://tinyurl.com/pe62n