"The U.S. goal cannot be a free Iraq", -Pipes
Guys, Pipes' ideas and rationalizations should make a little light go on in your heads. Could you think for a minute how ugly and convenient Pipes rationalizations are? THIS is part of the way US policy makers think.
If you really want to understand it: US policy makers rationalize doing anything to other peoples as long as it furthers their agendas. And they know they can get away with it because so many of you guys will fall over yourselves making excuses for them.
Can a total contradiction wake you up? I notice most people here are concerned about fundamentalist Islam and are thinking of ways to stamp it out.
How about this modest proposal: LETS SUPPORT FUNDAMENTALIST ISLAM! That's right. Lets help them organize and lets promote the idea of Jihad. Lets identify the most violent and fundamentalist and give them aid.
Do you like that idea? You want to tell me "you stupid so and so" and "what the hell is with you blah, blah, blah" and all the rest of your opinions that my proposal is crazy.
But now lets change one thing. Now I am a US policy maker and I have already implemented this modest proposal as part of US foreign policy. In fact it was the biggest CIA operation of all time. Remember US Foreign Policy. OK now you have to kiss my ass and not criticize this modest proposal because it is "America" and you would be guilty of "hating America". Now you can't tell me it was an insane proposal because it was US Foreign Policy and you would be "blaming America".
I also hope this illustrates the disregard for other people that is a defining characteristic of US Foreign Policy. You probably feel all misty eyed about our safety and protecting America from these fundamentalists. But if it is the US inflicting these fundamentalists on others, things you don't want done to you, then you shut your mouth.
Is it starting to sink in what a serious problem we have with the thinking and implementing of US foreign polices? Don't kid yourself, there are amoral people who manage to get into decision making positions in our government. And they inflicted misery upon the people of Afghanistan, they inflicted fundamentalist Islamic terrorism. Don't fool yourself with an idea that it was for the Afghanis' good somehow, US policy makers didn't give a damn about them. Check out the disregard for Afghani human rights:
"The United States's larger interests ... would be served by the demise of the Taraki-Amin regime, despite whatever setbacks this might mean for future social and economic reforms in Afghanistan." - from Classified State Department cables, among the documents found in the takeover of the US Embassy in Teheran on 4 November 1979