vtrtl writes, "See if you can keep up here... It was once considered wrong (but in the long view we have decided that is was objectively right) to oppose slavery in the United States.
It does not follow that opposition to the United States and its policies is therefore always right under every circumstance and at all times."
And my point is that jumping to this "anti-american" is foolish because you should deal with the facts. Labels such as "anti-American" and "anti-Semitic" are just tools to prevent policies from being examined. As my slavery example points out, how can wrongs be exposed if people like you label those that try to explain things and you refuse to discuss the details?
vtrtl writes, "By the reasoning of disloyal un-American opposition members like yourself, the degree to which people think you are crazy is evidence that you are right."
See this is the crap I am talking about. you think it is "loyal" of Bush to lie to the American people about why we were attacked? Come off it. Bush lies in order to serve special interests that don't want the specific policies questioned by the American people. Bush is not loyal to the American people, he is loyal to the interests he lies on behalf of. For God sakes when America was attacked he was more concerned about covering for the special interests than leveling with the American people.
When Nat Turner killed all those whites, people like you no doubt screamed bloody murder AND REFUSED TO EVEN THINK ABOUT WHY IT HAPPENED. People like you would have been pleased with their newspaper that assured them that slaves attacked "without motive or provocation". Today you can see the media playing the same game of feeding the public lies in order to serve powerful interests.
Why they attacked is called the motive. A sane approach is to look at the situation and where there are wrongs, end them. Bush's tactic (and yours) seeks to avoid having people question the polices.
A hint is that Bush and company feels it necessary to lie about the motives. That should tell you something and if you wake up from your blind obedience you might learn something.
US foreign policy makers in their "wisdom" supported Saddam. The media has reluctantly mentions this but does not give the whole story of the support. In fact US foreign policy makers helped put the Baath party into power. That is something mainstream media has refused to report.
Also US foreign policy makers in their "wisdom" supported the Mujahideen. The Mujahideen were murdering progressive Muslims. The support started six months before the Soviet troops moved into Afghanistan. US support for these terrorists was part of a selfish plan of political manipulation, there was no concern for the progressive Muslims that were killed. It is hypocritical to point a finger at the Muslim world when it was the US that has directly supported the very worst elements.
Think about that for a minute. US policy markers managed to support the two of the biggest problems in the Middle East! Excusing this is plain foolishness. The details of course got little coverage to virtually none in US media.
What do you think the Muslim girls in the schools felt like when the US supported Mujahideen killed their teachers? Your fanatical support of these things is shameful.
US policy makers bear enormous responsibility for the radicalism for not only funding, organizing and arming them but for also imposing such enormous injustices on the general populations so that some are motivated to join the forces that target us now.
Don't tell me that Saddam and the Mujahideen were good when they were teamed up with the US and only "became" bad when they no longer served the agendas of US policy makers.
The first step is to be honest with the American people about how this mess started and what it is really about.
"... the Mujahideen saw the black gang of thugs in the White House hiding the Truth, and their stupid and foolish leader, who is elected and supported by his people, denying reality and proclaiming that we (the Mujahideen) were striking them because we were jealous of them (the Americans), whereas the reality is that we are striking them because of their evil and injustice in the whole of the Islamic World, especially in Iraq and Palestine and their occupation of the Land of the Two Holy Sanctuaries." -Osama Bin Laden , February 14 , 2003