Friday, January 06, 2006

Israel Does Target Civilians and Always Has

A claim often made about Israel is "They don't target innocent civilians. They never have."

That simply is not true.

The Israeli military analyst Zeev Schiff summarized General Gur's comments as follows: "In South Lebanon we struck the civilian population consciously, because they deserved it...the importance of Gur's remarks is the admission that the Israeli Army has always struck civilian populations, purposely and consciously...the Army, he said, has never distinguished civilian (from military) targets... (but) purposely attacked civilian targets even when Israeli settlements had not been struck." see p 181 Fateful Triangle sourced to the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz May 15, 1978 or see: pp 77-78 The Real Terror Network by Edward S. Herman

The attacks made by Sharon's Unit 101 were "directed against completely innocent civilians in villages that had no known relation to terrorist acts, for example, Qibya, where 66 civilians were massacred in October 1953 in the first major operation of Sharon's Unit 101" 101. The Real Terror Network by Edward S. Herman

"The military doctrine of attacking defenseless civilians derives from David Ben-Gurion, who was quite explicit about it, though not in public of course. In a January 1, 1948 entry in his Independence War Diary, he writes:

"There is no question as to whether a reaction is necessary or not. The question
is only time and place. Blowing up a house is not enough. What is necessary is
cruel and strong reactions. We need precision in time, place, and casualties. If
we know the family, --[we must] strike mercilessly, women and children included.
Otherwise, the reaction is inefficient. At the place of action, there is no need to distinguish between guilty and innocent. p182 Fateful Triangle

"The Diary of former Israeli Prime Minister Moshe Sharett is a major source of evidence for a conscious policy of deliberate, unprovoked cross-border attacks, in which advantage was taken of superior military power and a servile western propaganda machine, with the intent of destabilizing neighboring states and provoking them into military responses. Sharett was a footdragger in these enterprises, often shaken by the ruthlessness of the military establishment-"the long chain of false incidents and hostilities we have invented, and so many clashes we have provoked;" the "narrow-mindedness and short-sightedness of our military leaders" [who] "seem to presume that the State of Israel may-or even must-behave in the realm of international relations according to the laws of the jungle." Sharett himself referred to this long effort as a "sacred terrorism."" p78 The Real Terror Network by Edward S. Herman

And as I pointed out, Israeli soldiers still target civilians, including children. What reporters have witnessed first hand has been documented by an Israeli human rights group and has been confirmed by Israeli soldiers admissions. Physicians for Human Rights USA, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and the Israeli human rights group B'Tselem all confirm the Israeli policy of targeting civilians. http://representativepress.blogspot.com/2005/10/you-quoted-joseph-farahs-vile-lie.html

12 comments:

Anonymous said...

All you have shown us here are some ancient out-of-context cherry-picked quotes from before the decades ago. The situation today is radically different.

In 2002 Israel sent her troops on foot into the massive terror camp of Jenin in an effort to prevent any casualties except the armed terrorists. Why didn't they just bomb it if they are so cruel and careless? That is because they are not.

Statistic studies show beyound a shadow of a doubt that Palestinian casualties are narrowly targeted (mostly males, mostly of fighting age) while the Israeli casualties are distributed evenly across the population, proving that it is the Palestinian Arabs that do target everyone regardless of who they are - yound, old, man, woman, soldier, citizen.

And that is a fact - today.

Tom said...

"ancient out-of-context cherry-picked quotes"? these guys are talking about killing civilians. What the hell do you think justifies it in any context? and "ancient"?!? Did you even read the info?

I specifically point out that it these are ON GOING crimes. Did you see this link: And as I pointed out, Israeli soldiers still target civilians, including children. What reporters have witnessed first hand has been documented by an Israeli human rights group and has been confirmed by Israeli soldiers admissions. Physicians for Human Rights USA, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and the Israeli human rights group B'Tselem all confirm the Israeli policy of targeting civilians.

יניב said...

Tom, I dont know where you get your info from, but its absolutly no "on-going" crimes.
I can tell you that any hit on a child or a woman is being heavly judge and being investigated with no hesitations.
The rules are very clear about it. shoot only to a threat. and with that rule -still- no shooting at women and children.

but what can you do when a fathar with M-16, walks with two children at his sides? what can you do when a known terrorist is walking freely towards a tank, with a huge-missle and a group of 12 (!!) kids around him?

Be'telem also know about that stuff. and they also know and saying rapidly, that those children are forced for being human shield.

so really, stop saying none-sense bull.
In lebanon, the only hitting on civilians was when many rackets was shot from a civilian house, ountinuesly, so after warning by media and thrown flyers, the house has been bombed, yes.

Sinno said...

I’m a Jewish myself, and I know how terribly mislead we are. I have done a lot of studies on the Holocaust of 1939-1944, and I think I have the right to comment on this issue.
If you guys really want to know the truth about the state of Israel, all you have to do is find out, what the word Holocaust means? Where does it come from? How was it used? Why was this specific word has been used to describe Jewish genocide?
Let me give you some clue and you do the rest of the research.

"Holocaust" is a word of Greek origin meaning "sacrifice by fire."

NOW!!! If you still haven’t perceived the hidden agenda behind Jewish genocide, Then just take you time, think about it. “Sacrifice By fire”,
A sacrifice?
What does sacrifice means?
So could Germans sacrifice Jews whom they hated so much? And the answer is NO!!! We have been ritually sacrificed by our own people to establish the state of Israel.

Tom said...

יניב,

I don't have a full response yet to Sino's comment, I am heading out the door right now. And this is a very serious subject and I am not giving my full response yet but I think Sinno is referring to how the Zionists both acted and the how they didn't act. I just wanted to give you a bit of background info.

If you have the book "Overcomming Zionism" please see p 77 and read what Ben-Gurion said. (if you don't have that book, please get it) Also, see pp 92-94 of Fateful Triangle

Dominic said...

Regarding this comment:

[ENDQUOTE]I’m a Jewish myself, and I know how terribly mislead we are. I have done a lot of studies on the Holocaust of 1939-1944, and I think I have the right to comment on this issue.

If you guys really want to know the truth about the state of Israel, all you have to do is find out, what the word Holocaust means? Where does it come from? How was it used? Why was this specific word has been used to describe Jewish genocide?

Let me give you some clue and you do the rest of the research.

"Holocaust" is a word of Greek origin meaning "sacrifice by fire."

NOW!!! If you still haven’t perceived the hidden agenda behind Jewish genocide, Then just take you time, think about it. “Sacrifice By fire”,

A sacrifice?

What does sacrifice means?

So could Germans sacrifice Jews whom they hated so much? And the answer is NO!!! We have been ritually sacrificed by our own people to establish the state of Israel. [ENDQUOTE]

It's very encouraging that people actually seek out the truth for themselves because they realize that the TRUTH is the authority and NOT the authority the truth. I will agree with you that there are very solid evidence that hitler was indirectly funded by David Rockefeller via Standard Oil that in turn funded I.G. Farben - one of the two largest war-industries for the Nazis. The bombing of London wouldn't have been possible if Standard Oil didn't sell 20 million worth of fuel to I.G. Farben. Even Prescott Bush had affairs with the Nazis as it was proved later on. I don't think or I dont believe, BUT I KNOW from similar facts that the Sect of international bankers where behind Hitler's rise to power.

Jews where indeed sacrificed IN MILLIONS for the international bankers to have a momentum in supporting the creation of the state of Israel.

What I want to make clear to you all out there is that the Jews where the ones to suffer THE MOST at the hands of these elites bankers. It's exactly because of this sect (that it's traces are so carefully lost in time) that the Israelis where made refugees. It was because of the sect that the israelis died in millions. It was because of the sect that the israelis are still dying in Palestine along with the palenistians that they never had any problems with until the state of israel was founded. It is because of the Sect Israelis live in religious-fanaticism (the worst kind of fanaticism). What the Israelis have suffered because of this Sect of bankers is unbelievable. It's UNBELIEVABLE. Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Warburgs and the rest of them where behind the assassination of Rabin in 1995 - it HAS BEEN PROVEN he was killed by the Israeli secret police just like Kennedy was killed by CIA and his trial was nothing but a `parade'. Just read around the net about the findings of the independent investigation about Rabin's death. Why he was killed? For the same reason Kennedy was killed. Because he supported PEACE (and he managed to reach a peace treaty).

It's important to realize that the wars created by the bankers are not meant to be won by any nation. JUST SUSTAINED. The more a war lasts the more profitable it turns out to be for the bankers. They ripe profits from war industries. The ripe profits from having the state getting loans by them. The more money were spent to war the more they rose in power. This has been going on for 2 centuries at least. As if that wasn't enough they also have control over money-printing and they provide it to the nations AT INTEREST, thus IMMEDIATELY putting every single nation INTO DEBT. The americans started their revolution EXACTLY because of the British Economy trying to impose on them this fraudulent banking system (read the quotes of Benjamin Franklin on the subject).

So, where are we now? We have an international sect of bankers who have taken control of every single central bank in the world save 3 (cuba and north korea are 2 of them and both are framed as states hosting terrorism). Every single government is their pawn (yes this includes nations that are in `war' like india and pakistan, as well as Israel and even Palestinian government to some extent - I know hard to believe but just search the backgrounds off the palestinian politicians). The mainstream media is their pawn as well (Rupert Murdoch is their man). Their main recipe for their atrocities is called INFLAME BOTH SIDES. Just look what the palestinians and the israelis are experiencing. Just look at what India and Pakistan are experiencing. Look at Chechnia. Look at Greece-Turkey (the minor-asia war was a war that destroyed Greece economically and it resembles exactly the recipe of the Sect). I want to make clear to you that they are behind every single event that has served as pretext in every war for the last 160 years to say the least. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. Their brain washing machine via the media is impossible in it's conception and does a pretty damn good job at serving it's masters. The staging of attacks usually by the aid of `Secret agencies' is the cherry on the ice-cake (`9/11' anyone? Or maybe you would like to remember those SAS agents dressed as arabs that where arrested for shooting people at random in Iraq) It's high time people woke up to this reality of the Sect of bankers that are behind EVERY SINGLE ASPECT of our lives. We are gonna die at their hands unless people wake up and go after THEM instead of each other. We must seize all support to the banking system and prepare to revolt against one way or the other ... YESTERDAY.

Anonymous said...

You are a fucking moron, representativepress. While I respect your rants against the hegemony of American military and foreign policy, you and all the other anti-Israel nutbags are totally wrong! Israel does not "oppress" the Palestinians! It doesn't just kill random Palestinians and civilians for fun. Get your head out of your ass. You have no evidence to support this claim, and in this article, all you do is quote a few high-level people in the military and gov't. How do I know these are even real quotes?? Michael Rivero, on his site What Really Happened, has a bunch of old racist quotes he claims are from high-level Israeli gov't officials, but it'd be nice if he could provide sources, at least, to back up claims that they actually said such things.

Btw, who was it that massacred so many people in Lebanon in the 1980s? Sure as hell wasn't the Israelis, that's for sure! The historical record shows this.

Also, the house demolition crap isn't all it's cracked up to be. Israeli gov't does NOT just go in and bulldoze random homes for fun. These are terrorists and/or terrorist-supporters and aiders that are being punished and denied safe haven. Other homes aren't built in accordance with regulations and codes.

And what about all the Palestinians who murder Israelis, namely groups like Hamas, al-Aqsa, and the PLO?? Are you going to deny that they exist?

Anonymous said...

A prime example of the Israeli attacks on innocent civilians is that of Tom Hurndall, a student at Manchester Metropolitan University, who was killed by an Israeli Sniper in April 2003. Have a look at the link below:

http://www.tomhurndall.co.uk/

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sakhasvilli said...

we must admire the perversity of people here commenting tht Israels done nothing wrong.tht its alwayz the victim.the arabs r the islamist radicals,fanatics.blahblaah..they keep denying the fact tht israels committing all these crimes in occupied land(westbank n gaza,gaza is a 'freeland' now.under siege)and not in israel itself.

Anonymous said...

Good job representative Press.

Shery said...

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