[ The "fnp" in "israelfnp" stands for "facts not propaganda" if you can believe that.]
I reply:
AND against Jews, israelfnp, AND against Jews. I talk about "Zionist alleged actions" AGAINST JEWS TOO. And let me add: "Rabbi Shonfeld quotes the Zionist leader Yitzhak Greenbaum, who, after the war, stated: "When they asked me, couldn't you give money out of the United
Jewish Appeal funds for the rescue of Jews in Europe, I said, 'NO!' and I say again 'NO!' . . . one should resist this wave which pushes the Zionist activities to secondary importance." And israelfnp, don't give me this crap: "do you give a rat's ass about ..." Do you deny there's suppression of Zionist crimes? Do you deny that the media treat Zionism and Israel differently than other topics? *Evidence of early Zionists' murderous refusal of a peaceful coexistence with the Palestinians is perhaps the most dramatic when it involves the killing of Jewish civilians. One of the victims on the list was Jacob de Haan, a Dutch Jew, killed for the "crime" of attempting to work out a peaceful solution between the new settlers and the local Palestinians in 1921. Their own records reveal them saying "another reason for assassinating him was that he was a homosexual."
If you are concerned about Jews then you should respect the history of Jews who actually did stand for justice. Some paid with their lives for insisting that racism is wrong. Zionists killed OTHER JEWS who dared point out what I am saying. The Hagana archives contain the names of 40 JEWS who were killed by Irgun and the Stern Group (Jewish terrorist groups). Look at the example of the anti-Zionist native Jewish inhabitant of Palestine who was assassinated as he left his synagogue in June 1924 by two Haganah agents (Jewish terrorists). As early as 1924 these sick racist Zionists killed Jews because they stood in the way of their racist plan. Even a religious Jew was targeted by Zionists as he left his synagogue. Noam Chomsky, The Fateful Triangle: The United States, Israel and the Palestinians, p. 165
* "Hitchens wanted to choose his words carefully because talk of a Jewish lobby is another one of those dangerous topics, it's dangerous for Jews because it feeds the imaginations of real anti-Semites who believe in a world wide Jewish conspiracy. It's dangerous for those who would discuss Jewish political influence because they risk the charge of anti-Semitism. It's not like when you talk about lobbying organizations for say immigrants or the disabled or the Saudi Government for that matter. History, sensitivity and politics make talk of Israel and its supporters different and a lot more complicated. I'm John Donvan for Nightline in Washington." -broadcast 4/17/02 ABC's Nightline
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Hello Tom,
On your recent blog entry you wrote,
'The Hagana archives contain the names of 40 JEWS who were killed by Irgun and the Stern Group'
While this is true, and undeniable (nor defensible) it is true the Irgun and Stern Gangs were not mainstream Jewish military forces. They were, and still are, considered terrorist orginizations who were later dismantled by David Ben Gurion, the remnants of which were folded into the Haganah.
If there are quotes out there of DBG where he agrees with, overlooks, and encourages such extrajudicial killings, they would be worth having.
-IDB
Less harsh than murder but still very damaging, Jews with conscience are still being targeted with labels such as "self-hater" or "self-destructive." AIPAC and the powers in Israel are destroying the conscience of an entire country.
Your with Israel or your with the terrorists period. Nothing better to prove this than showing Palestinians celebrating and dancing in the attacks of 911.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3u3rMIs5hw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3u3rMIs5hw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rmo64fcvKs0
Well if there is one thing that seems to amaze me is how the Muslim world was quick to point the finger at Israel, when Iran who helped aid the terrorist organizations of Hamas and Hezbollah remained blameless. I feel that it is the president of Iran who should be charged with war crimes for aiding Hamas and Hezbollah the ones who created this whole mess in the first place. I see that people in the Muslim world are also hypocrites when in fact they are supporting and justifying terrorism of Hamas. I have also noticed that people in Palestine do not mention that Hamas kills their own people in Gaza. This is something Saddam Hussein did as well, as i saw some supporters in the pro-palestinian support groups even putting pictures as Saddam Hussein as a martyr. I think people need to look at this more realistically and i feel that just because Hamas, the president of Iran are Muslims does not make them innocent angels. I also know how Hamas operates and i know they had secretly recruited people to die alongside them to help destroy the image of Israel, other than using those who refused to participate with the criminal organization as human Shields. The IDF has also tried to reduce civilian casualties by warning the citizens to leave the area that will be attacked by throwing white pamphlets into the battle field. If the people who are collaborating alongside Hamas whether it be women and children there is nothing Israel can do if they are participating to die in suicide missions to help destroy Israels image in the media. They recruit people in Gaza the same way they would convince a Palestinian suicide bomber to join in to kill themselves to get into heaven. The president of Iran is quite mistaken if he thinks he can get away with these major crimes and manipulating the media in his favor. I also feel that the Arab league and the UN made things worse by also pointing the finger at Israel which only increased the violence and Hamas popularity and justifying the terrorism of Hamas and as well make government officials in Israel angry. I do press for international condemnation against the president of Iran for war crimes in aiding terrorist groups such as Hamas and Hezbollah. This war will not end until Hamas and Hezbollah are long and dead forever and no real peace will be achieve until they are gone for good. The president of Iran must also be stopped. I said it before and i will say it again, if you are not with Israel you support terrorism. Palestinians don't support terrorism you say? They voted for Hamas who passed the Hamas charter and where on the streets celebrating during the attacks of 911.
I will make this very simple...
Your with Israel or your with the terrorists period. Nothing better to prove this than showing Palestinians celebrating and dancing in the attacks of 911.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3u3rMIs5hw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3u3rMIs5hw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rmo64fcvKs0
"..."against the Arabs who had declared war on the Jews since 1922 and before..."
This statement ignores the fact that the Arabs of Palestine had a complete right to attack these foreign Jews that were coming into their country uninvited.
""..."against the Arabs who had declared war on the Jews since 1922 and before..."
This statement ignores the fact that the Arabs of Palestine had a complete right to attack these foreign Jews that were coming into their country uninvited"
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Stupidity radar going off like crazy!
1) So this means Americans can start killing any illegal Mexican they want...okay. And the French get to kill Algerians too? Tell the Germans this, they'd be glad to kill some Turks. And then there's those pesky Albanians in Italy. Dang if we followed your logic, everyone would have a right to shoot anyone who was 'uninvited'.
2) This means that the Jews have a right to FIGHT BACK.
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