Tuesday, October 14, 2003

<< Only when you start holding ALL other nations responsible for THEIR policies as well. >>
stop playing games. I hold ALL parties responsible. the thing you can't get into your head is the evil done by US policy makers. We don't have to guess or wonder about it becasue today we have the proof. You may need to sit down for this: records get declasssifed after a certain amount of time and now we know (those that actaully do the research) what the ugly realities have been.

[Noam Chomsky]  The United States , to its credit, is a very free country, maybe the freest country in the world in many respects. One result of that is that we have extremely rich internal documentation. We have a rich record of high level planning documents which tell us the answer to your question. And that’s an achievement of American democracy. However, almost nobody knows about it and that is a failure of democracy.

So the information is there. It’s in the scholarly literature. It’s in the declassified record ...

... [US policy makers] are concerned about, virtually quoting, the spread of the Castro idea of taking matters into one’s own hands which will have a lot of appeal to suffering and impoverished people around the hemisphere who are facing very similar problems. We [US policy makers] don’t want that idea to spread. If you go on in the declassified records, you find descriptions by the CIA and the intelligence agencies of how the problem with Cuba is what they call its successful defiance of US policies going back a hundred and fifty years. That’s a reference to the Monroe Doctrine. The Monroe Doctrine, which the US was not powerful enough to implement at the time, stated that the US would become the dominant force in this hemisphere and Cuba is not submitting to that. That is successful defiance of a policy that goes back a hundred and fifty years and that can’t be tolerated. They make it very clear. They are not worried about Cuban aggression or even subversion or anything. They are worried about Cuba ’s successful defiance and that’s not just Cuban. That’s common.

When the US overthrew the government of Guatemala in 1954 - again we have that rich record of declassified documents - what they explain is that the threat of Guatemala was that its the first democratic government had enormous popular support. It was mobilising the peasantry, instituting social reforms and this was likely to appeal to surrounding countries that might want to do the same thing. And that couldn’t be tolerated or else the whole framework of US domination of the hemisphere would collapse.
read it and take responsibility. Most Corrupt US Military Plan Ever: http://cryptome.org/jcs-corrupt.htm
Cookie11814, just becasue someone rapes or murders someone doesn't mean you have the right to do so. Wrong is wrong, it isn't conditional on first looking at every other wrong under the sun.

<< Sorry, but the original platform of the Ba'ath party did NOT include mass murder of their own citizens >>

Soory but that is not true. some of the mass graves are filled with people whose names the US handed over to the Baathists.
US diplomat James Akins served in the Baghdad Embassy at the time. Mr. Akins said, "I knew all the Ba'ath Party leaders and I liked them".

"The CIA were definitely involved in that coup. We saw the rise of the Ba'athists as a way of replacing a pro-Soviet government with a pro-American one and you don't get that chance very often.

"Sure, some people were rounded up and shot but these were mostly communists so that didn't bother us".

do people deserve to be rounded up and shot becasue of their politics? The Nazis did the same thing. are you a Nazi?

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